My TL;DR:

Ministers have repeatedly claimed developing the huge oilfield off Shetland will improve UK energy security.

For example, in September, Rishi Sunak said Rosebank would help prevent young people from growing up “dependent on foreign dictators” for energy security.

Furthermore, in the king’s speech: “Legislation will be introduced to strengthen the United Kingdom’s energy security and reduce reliance on volatile international energy markets and hostile foreign regimes".

However, in a written answer to a parliamentary question, the government admits that the private companies extracting the oil will sell the vast majority internationally: “Around 80% of the oil produced in the UK is refined overseas into the products demanded by the UK market".

Alexander Kirk, of the climate justice group Global Witness, says “UK oil and gas is owned by the companies that extract it and sell it on global markets. New oilfields like Rosebank will only line the pockets of rich fossil fuel firms, it won’t help the millions of Brits that are struggling to pay their bills.”

Edit: Making title more clear.

  • Jho@feddit.ukOP
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    9 months ago

    Just want to being particular attention to this quote:

    “…around 80% of the oil produced in the UK is refined overseas into the products demanded by the UK market."

    It’s quotes like this that convince me more and more that one of the best things we common folk can do to help tackle climate breakdown is just buying less stuff…

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      9 months ago

      Getting rid of the conservative party is up there too on the list of best things we can do

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      9 months ago

      So long as it’s understood that “we should buy less stuff” translates to “legislation reducing carbon dependent travel and mandating repairability” and not “if only everyone made the same decisions as me”.

      The former has a measurable effect, while the latter is just something we do as individuals to help us feel better.

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        9 months ago

        I don’t really agree with your last point. Every little bit helps.

        That said, legislation would be much more effective.

        Our society encourages to consume things we don’t need, and we can endeavour to recognise when this is occurring and resist where we are able. But there is much we are forced to consume due to lack of appropriate legislation (lack of repairability is a good example of this).

        Both of these things are issues. One is bigger than the other for sure, but I don’t think it’s fair to discourage people from taking individual action where they are able by implying it doesn’t have any positive effect.

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          There’s nothing wrong with encouraging individual action, only in suggesting that in doing so they’re solving the problem.

          I stopped driving 20 years ago, cycle or transit everywhere, drastically reduced plastic and meat consumption, etc. etc. and while this all makes me feel good/righteous, it hasn’t actually solved anything. There are perhaps 1 million people in the world applying similar efforts. They too probably feel good about themselves, but the world is still on fire.

          The vast, vast amount of people will never change on ideology alone. Partially due to things like financial or class limitations, but also just limited knowledge. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had to explain to people just which plastics are recyclable, which tech is more sustainable, which foods are more environmentally healthy, and what the best options are for heating your home. It’s just too much for most people. Their minds are busy with other things like, “how will I pay rent this month?”. You gotta remember how many people vote based on lies they hear on TV or even just which party uses their favourite colour.

          It’s a constant battle that cannot be won by individuals and allowing ourselves to think that we’ve accomplished something by “doing our part” is precisely why we’re still having this conversation 50 years after global warming was identified. We need collective action that limits harmful acts while promoting helpful ones and you can’t do that alone.

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            You’re right, you can’t achieve collective action alone, but I’d argue that individual action, such as what you’re doing is part of that collective action, no?

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              Nope, it’s the complete opposite.

              I can make different choices tomorrow: buy a Ford F-150, swap my heat pump for a gas boiler, and start buying more disposable crap and the resulting impact on the problem would be negligible. It’s nice to think that my individual choices matter, but on the scale that matters, they don’t even move the needle.

              The Ford F-150 should be illegal and gas boilers should be banned or at least more expensive than heat pumps. That moves the needle 'cause it’s collectively applied to the wider public and (more importantly) the economy as a whole.

              The problem comes with the idea that “I’m one of the people who needs to change, therefore my changing is progress”. While this is technically true, it’s effectively irrelevant because at the scale we’re talking about, individual contributions are statistically insignificant.

              This is exactly why companies like BP & Shell have pushed the idea of personal responsibility so hard. They’ve reframed the debate into something about personal virtue rather than collective responsibility to ensure that nothing changes.

              It’s one of the most insidious ideas around activism, that “voting with your wallet” works.

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                If I understand your comment correctly you are implying that individual actions matter little because it’s only on a large, collective scale that change can be implemented? My counter to that is you can do both. Personal responsibility and collective responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Plus I’d argue you’re more likely to foster collective responsibility from the actions of individuals, than you are waiting for a group to spontaneously decide to act as a whole.

                Finally I’d also point out that there are degrees of change. My picking up litter on my daily walk is not going to make the world a better place, but it will make my neighbourhood a better place, and that’s valuable to. And in doing so it may inspire others to do the same, and from there you generate that collective responsibility you mention.

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                    Actually evidence suggests otherwise. Look up ‘Broken Window Theory’. Basically keeping an area clear of litter discourages people from littering, not the other way around.

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                    9 months ago

                    This has not been my experience when picking up litter in my local area.

                    Edit: Just to elaborate, it’s a few problem people who will always litter no matter what. People who do not always litter are more inclined to when they already see there’s litter about (“what’s the harm in adding more?”) but will feel guilty about littering in a clean street. I end up picking up litter faster than people add to it, meaning my local area is overall cleaner than what it was before.

                    Might be worth checking out this article which discusses some of the psychology behind littering.

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      That also highlights the hidden cost of moving the materials to and from countries. Building and refining near the oil field will save a huge amount of travel costs, reduce the carbon footprint of the oil tanker fleet that moves the oil, and provide a huge number of jobs to the area.

      But capitalism says it’s wasteful to provide locally when you can save pennies abroad. Whatever will this island nation do?

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          You can’t really do much with plastics. It can handle being reprocessed once or twice before it just becomes too brittle.

          We can only reduce to fix our worst pollutants. Well, until we get some plastic eating bacteria.

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            Plastic eating bacteria introduces all sorts of new problems, actually. Plastic is popular because plastic is forever (as long as it’s protected from excessive heat and UV light)

            It’s going to be bad when your plastic can rot.

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              Sorry, my response was to the comment about recycling plastic.

              I completely agree that it would cause issues ones it has plastic eating bacteria, but there are many reasons why plastic recycling hasn’t taken off, the biggest being “it doesn’t actually recycle”.

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                It does recycle, though. You can’t recycle plastic bottles into plastic bottles forever, but they can become lower grade plastics meant for different tasks for their entire life cycle. Highly degraded plastic can be made into building materials and roads, for example.

                The real reason it hasn’t taken off is because it’s not profitable.

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                  And we do that already.

                  But considering you can only do it basically twice, you can’t mash different types of plastics together, and you can’t “recycle” into the types of plastics that are in demand, it’s all rather pointless.

                  They make low grade building materials, think benches, and flake easily so roads are a really bad idea. There are only so many benches you can make and Walkers have that covered with the green washing of crisp packets.

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                    you can only do it basically twice,

                    If you stick to the cheapest recycling process of just washing, grinding, and heating the plastic. That’s mostly all that is done because it’s the only process that’s even slightly profitable .

                    you can’t mash different types of plastics together, and you can’t “recycle” into the types of plastics that are in demand

                    You actually can in a chemical process called transesterification. Rather than just grinding the plastic into flake and heating it, it can be refined and rebuilt into new polymers.

                    Repolymerization (transforming polymers back into monomers to purify them) can also be used to recycle plastics almost indefinitely.

                    There’s actually a lot of chemical recycling processes that can be used that we just don’t bother doing, because again, profitability.

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      9 months ago

      We need systemic change (which can only be effected by the government) not individual action (although we as individuals can still pressure the government to do this)

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        Yes I agree. My intent wasn’t to imply otherwise, though, based on other replies I’ve gotten, perhaps my original comment did through me not mentioning it…