Last time I posted this, people were calling me a fascist and supporter of “mob justice” because apparently fascism is when you force racists and homophobes to get off the train using group pressure. I’m not afraid of people like that, and I speak up when I see it.
Last time you posted this, you got mob-ruled out. This is what you’re advocating for, what’s the problem? I’d love to have a real discussion about this with you, because we probably agree, it’s just that you’re preaching rather than arguing. I think you’re hurting the cause more than you’re helping it, Sir.
Since “mob rule” is a gross misrepresentation of what I’m talking about, I’ve nothing to say in response
You are an impolite, uncivil status quo defending troll who followed me to this instance after I migrated here with the express goal of escaping this type of unprovoked negativity and harassment
You are welcome to reread my post and comments. They’re easily understood.
I would you respect a lot more if you’d just own your opinion instead of pussyfooting around it. It’s mob rule, and it can work if you’ve nurtured a culture with good moral values. I won’t give you any more nuggets, but maybe you’d get less pushback in the future if you actually tried to explain your position instead of calling anyone who dares put question marks on your posts a bigot status-quoist.
I get where you’re coming from and I want to be on your side, but this can get real tricky depending on the… I guess belief systems that make up the majority of the people on the bus.
I see where your hearts at, and I like it, but even though a lot of them are being assholes about it, some of the people in the thread make a good point. How we feel about ‘group pressure’ depends a lot on which group is most numerous at the time.
If punishing bad behavior relies on immediate local consensus, whoever’s present gets to decide what constitutes bad behavior. If you are surrounded by bigots - you will not throw them off the bus.
It is, though. Your insistence that it’s not does not constitute a rebuttal of this criticism.
America has a history of self-organized direct action punishing perceived wrongdoers, sometimes in violent defiance of police and the courts. We just call it lynching.
Minorities in general do not benefit from relying on group dynamics to save their asses… because they’re outnumbered. That’s what “minority” means.
What a state offers, and what reliance on a state encourages, is a uniform set of behavioral standards beyond ‘I’m gonna fistfight a busload of Nazis, wish me luck.’ I mean sure, godspeed and aim for throats, but I hope your affairs are in order.
It literally does not though. You are incorrect about all of this! I clearly said that this action I’m describing is against bigots. You’re leaning on some “all lives matter” logic here.
If I say punching Nazis is good, then you’d respond by saying I have to punch everyone, which is patently absurd. But clearly you need time to process why.
In the meantime, I intend to continue to stand up for justice and equity, whether you like it or not. As someone who grew up gay in a very hostile community, I feel assured that I’m doing the right thing, because my ass has been saved firsthand by people who aren’t status quo-defending cowards.
If you’re calling for individual action to be the only thing stopping bigots… then only individual action will stop bigots. Bigots will otherwise be free to do whatever they want. Including doing unto you what you’re doing unto them, namely, shoving your ass off the bus because they don’t like the look of you. With no state to fall back on for protection or recourse, your choices are to come back with a bigger gang, or walk.
Your moral rationale being better than theirs is not relevant. If you imagine group violence will only be done for good reasons then nobody should ever take you seriously. If you’re incapable of figuring out why everyone’s telling you this, can you at least take a hint from how everyone keeps telling you this?
You just called me a coward while shoving a strawman in my mouth. Take a playground insult in stride if you’re going to respond to polite explanations by acting this shitty.
Last time I posted this, people were calling me a fascist and supporter of “mob justice” because apparently fascism is when you force racists and homophobes to get off the train using group pressure. I’m not afraid of people like that, and I speak up when I see it.
I remember
You’re still a dumbass tho
reported
Grass therapy for you, doctors orders.
Why don’t you go stand up for bigots and creeps somewhere else
Also, you’re breaking your instance’s code of conduct. I haven’t attacked you.
Last time you posted this, you got mob-ruled out. This is what you’re advocating for, what’s the problem? I’d love to have a real discussion about this with you, because we probably agree, it’s just that you’re preaching rather than arguing. I think you’re hurting the cause more than you’re helping it, Sir.
Hot take: Oppression and bigotry = bad
Since “mob rule” is a gross misrepresentation of what I’m talking about, I’ve nothing to say in response
You are an impolite, uncivil status quo defending troll who followed me to this instance after I migrated here with the express goal of escaping this type of unprovoked negativity and harassment
You are welcome to reread my post and comments. They’re easily understood.
I would you respect a lot more if you’d just own your opinion instead of pussyfooting around it. It’s mob rule, and it can work if you’ve nurtured a culture with good moral values. I won’t give you any more nuggets, but maybe you’d get less pushback in the future if you actually tried to explain your position instead of calling anyone who dares put question marks on your posts a bigot status-quoist.
I don’t believe in mob justice though. That’s a gross and deliberate mischaracterization of my post.
I get where you’re coming from and I want to be on your side, but this can get real tricky depending on the… I guess belief systems that make up the majority of the people on the bus.
I see where your hearts at, and I like it, but even though a lot of them are being assholes about it, some of the people in the thread make a good point. How we feel about ‘group pressure’ depends a lot on which group is most numerous at the time.
If punishing bad behavior relies on immediate local consensus, whoever’s present gets to decide what constitutes bad behavior. If you are surrounded by bigots - you will not throw them off the bus.
Then I’ll die trying.
But once again, that’s not what this is about.
It is, though. Your insistence that it’s not does not constitute a rebuttal of this criticism.
America has a history of self-organized direct action punishing perceived wrongdoers, sometimes in violent defiance of police and the courts. We just call it lynching.
Minorities in general do not benefit from relying on group dynamics to save their asses… because they’re outnumbered. That’s what “minority” means.
What a state offers, and what reliance on a state encourages, is a uniform set of behavioral standards beyond ‘I’m gonna fistfight a busload of Nazis, wish me luck.’ I mean sure, godspeed and aim for throats, but I hope your affairs are in order.
It literally does not though. You are incorrect about all of this! I clearly said that this action I’m describing is against bigots. You’re leaning on some “all lives matter” logic here.
If I say punching Nazis is good, then you’d respond by saying I have to punch everyone, which is patently absurd. But clearly you need time to process why.
In the meantime, I intend to continue to stand up for justice and equity, whether you like it or not. As someone who grew up gay in a very hostile community, I feel assured that I’m doing the right thing, because my ass has been saved firsthand by people who aren’t status quo-defending cowards.
We’re pointing out Nazis can also punch you.
Jackass.
If you’re calling for individual action to be the only thing stopping bigots… then only individual action will stop bigots. Bigots will otherwise be free to do whatever they want. Including doing unto you what you’re doing unto them, namely, shoving your ass off the bus because they don’t like the look of you. With no state to fall back on for protection or recourse, your choices are to come back with a bigger gang, or walk.
Your moral rationale being better than theirs is not relevant. If you imagine group violence will only be done for good reasons then nobody should ever take you seriously. If you’re incapable of figuring out why everyone’s telling you this, can you at least take a hint from how everyone keeps telling you this?
Uncivil personal attack. Reported.
You just called me a coward while shoving a strawman in my mouth. Take a playground insult in stride if you’re going to respond to polite explanations by acting this shitty.
I didn’t call you a coward. I said the people who stood up for me aren’t cowards.