I think everyone who has been paying attention saw this coming. Now so-called “socialist” Hasan Piker is putting out CNN level liberal propaganda. Even western polling had to admit that Putin enjoyed an approval rating above 80% just prior to the election, but of course when you have demonized Russia to this degree you have to resort to reality denial to explain what you see.

We need to start using the term “red liberal” to describe these “leftist” political streamers and YouTubers who mimick the aesthetics and language of leftism while feeding into imperialist dogma and liberal assumptions about the world. Hasan also continues to deny the Donbass genocide that had been taking place since 2014 before Russia finally intervened, refuses to accept that Russia had legitimate reason to take action to stop NATO eastward expansion, and downplays the Nazi nature of the Kiev regime.

Now after he made fun of all the dumbass chuds who insisted in 2020 that the US election was stolen and made up all kinds of conspiracy theories to try and justify it, Hasan himself engages in the same kind of behavior when it comes to Russian elections. This is the kind of “socialist” who will act like they are not Democrat shills by superficially criticizing Genocide Joe yet continue to advocate that you vote for Democrats as the “lesser evil”.

It is good though that since 2022 all of these sheepdogs for liberal imperialism have been exposing themselves. Now we know where the lines are drawn. Once again Lenin’s words ring true:

“We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!”

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    I don’t get why Putin wouldn’t have such a high %?

    He only allowed losers to run against him, the propaganda, the war.

    More important question would be the turnout.

    Maybe people in Russia like him because how much everyone else hates them.

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      More important question would be the turnout.

      Turnout was around 75% which is a record high for the Russian Federation and more than you see in most western elections.

      He only allowed losers to run against him

      The reality is that there is no figure in Russia that would not come across as a loser next to Putin. Or do you buy into the West’s ridiculous propaganda that Navalny, who was virtually unknown and polled in the single digits before he was arrested was ever a real threat to Putin?

      Of course this is sad for us too because it means that the KPRF have no impressive personalities to put forward either.

      the propaganda, the war.

      Sure, media always plays a big role in shaping the outcome of elections, but this is no different in the West. People will only really vote for whoever the media picks as a “viable” candidate, and the media has a lot of power to shape people’s impressions of a candidate, for good or bad. Look at how much the media favored Biden in the last US elections. Look at how the media demonized Jeremy Corbyn in Britain some years ago.

      As for the war, yes this was a major factor. In a war, especially when it is going well (which it is for Russia despite how the West tries to spin it), people will “rally around the flag” and support the leader, even many who would otherwise not agree with him or like him. But this doesn’t support the idea that the result is fake, quite the opposite, it explains it.

      Maybe people in Russia like him because how much everyone else hates them.

      Very likely. The West really shot itself in the foot with all of the sanctions and the anti-Russian discrimination. If they hadn’t done this maybe more Russians would be pro-Western but as it is they see that the West is treating them all as enemies so they react by doubling down on their support for the person that is portrayed as the incarnation of defiance toward the West.

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        Yep. Basically you wrote a better version of what I was thinking.

        Navalny was never going to matter. His peak could have been an advisor to a candidate.

        I don’t think the polls were cheated, as the chance of being caught exist.

        I do consider there to be a lot of propaganda, as well hey, about 50% of Americans think life would be better for them under the Republicans than anything else.

        But yeah, just a little bit of thinking to get to “it’s probably not a trick”

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          Historically election fraud is rampant in Russia, it’s just the main losers are the communist party not what ever fascist the West likes that month. Idk why everyone is acting like it isn’t a thing.

          Like they do do a bad job and statisticians do point to huge irregularities it just doesn’t matter bc Putin is still popular.

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      He only allowed losers to run against him, the propaganda, the war.

      Yep. Rigging elections is not limited to voting falsifications. Here’s what he did to 3 candidates that could win:

      1. He killed Navalny
      2. He didn’t let Duntsova to start collecting signatures
      3. He didn’t let Nadezhdin to get into ballot after he collected signatures
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        He killed Navalny

        Why would he do that? Navalny was already in prison and there were plans to use him in a prisoner exchange him with the West. Who really stood to benefit the most from him dying just before the election so that Putin could be portrayed as killing his opposition? Cui bono?

        Sorry but you have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that Putin did it

        Do you think any of the other two you mentioned would have realistically gotten any more votes than Davankov?

        If anything, them being on the ballot would have just split the liberal opposition more. Also, the Navalny camp called for his followers to spoil their votes in protest and the end result was around 1% spoiled ballots. They were never going to amount to anything. Same goes for the other irrelevant nobodies that you mentioned.

        If you really believe Putin stole the election you have yet to answer a simple question: why would he need to rig it when he already had an 86% approval rating before the election?

        If he really did forbid popular candidates who stood an actual chance of winning from running, don’t you think there would have been bigger protests? Don’t you think the result of the vote would look a little different? It’s not like anything stopped the followers of any other liberal opposition figure to pool their votes behind one who did get on the ballot.

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          Why would he do that?

          - Putin started war with Ukraine.

          - Why would he do that?

          - Putin poisoned Navalny.

          - Why would he do that?

          - Putin started war with Ukraine AGAIN.

          - Why would he do that?

          - Putin drafts men to die in trenches in Ukraine.

          - Why would he do that?

          so that Putin could be portrayed as killing his opposition?

          He did it many, many, many(3 attempts) times.

          If anything, them being on the ballot would have just split the liberal opposition more.

          And here you severe lack of knowledge about elections in Russia. Any elections except municipal is done in two rounds. Any vote not for Putin counts against him. Even invalid ballots are counted against him.

          Also, the Navalny camp called for his followers to spoil their votes in protest and the end result was around 1% spoiled ballots.

          Also untrue. Navalny called to show up at 12:00 on election day. His position was “go at same time, vote as you wish and look around you to see you are not alone”.

          why would he need to rig it when he already had an 86% approval rating before the election?

          Poller calls you: “Do you support President or want to go to jail for 30 years?”

          There are 14% of people that would rather go to jail than approve Putin. I think Ekaterina Shulman had lecture about his approval rating in English.

          If he really did forbid popular candidates who stood an actual chance of winning from running, don’t you think there would have been bigger protests?

          You completely don’t understand what happens in Russia.

          It’s not like anything stopped the followers of any other liberal opposition figure to pool their votes behind one who did get on the ballot.

          Obvervation movement Golos: banned

          Live streams from voting stations: no longer exist

          Pamfilova’s and Sobyanin’s ДЭГ: exists

          Mental asylum in my city: 100% for Putin with 400% turnout.

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            Putin started war with Ukraine

            No he didn’t. NATO started a war with Russia using Ukrainian Nazis.

            Putin poisoned Navalny

            There is literally zero evidence of that. Just another empty allegation of the West.

            Putin started war with Ukraine AGAIN

            No he didn’t. The West and its Nazi proxies in Kiev wiped their asses with the Minsk agreements and continued to bomb the Donbass and while arming Ukraine to prepare for a full scale invasion of Donbass.

            Putin drafts men to die in trenches in Ukraine

            Complete projection. It is not Russia that has press gangs running around in every city beating up and forcefully mobilizing all men they can find, it is Ukraine. Russia doesn’t even send conscripts to Ukraine, their laws forbid it, they use professional volunteer soldiers. Russia had one wave of partial mobilization of reservists with prior military experience. Ukraine is on what, its twentieth round of mobilization?

            He did it many (3 attempts) times

            Yet again, more empty accusations from the lying West. Not a single one of those was ever proven, nor is it clear that Putin would need to or benefit in any way from doing that. The only ones who benefit are the West who get to portray Putin as a comic book villain for gullible westerners.

            Any vote not for Putin counts against him

            Cool, in that case it doesn’t matter whether this or that opposition figure was not on the ballot. So then why didn’t more Putin opponents vote for any of the other candidates?

            Navalny called to show up at 12:00 on election day.

            Oh wow, coincidentally that’s also around when most people usually go to vote. Isn’t it just wonderfully convenient to have a “protest” where you can’t tell who is actually protesting and who is just genuinely going to vote? That way you can have one person in a line of a thousand people claim the other 999 agree with them because they all happen to be standing in the same line at the same time.

            Poller calls you: “Do you support President or want to go to jail for 30 years?”

            Come on, even you don’t even believe that you go to jail in Russia for telling a poller that you don’t support Putin. Also, that poll was done by a NED funded NGO, it’s basically a western poll. You’re telling me they didn’t find any way to get an accurate picture of how much support Putin has?

            There are 14% of people that would rather go to jail than approve Putin.

            Oh so everyone who didn’t vote for Putin is now in jail? Wow, Russia’s prisons must really be overflowing, how is it that we haven’t heard of ten million people getting arrested and imprisoned?

            I don’t know if you really thought that these lazy propaganda talking points would work here, but hey at least you tried…

            By the way you still haven’t answered why he would do any of the things you accused him of.