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    8 months ago

    while both true, and conveniently the position of the authorities, it’s a real conundrum.

    rightist nihilists and leftist anarchists live with blinders on, and only an end goal in mind, never thinking of the ramifications of their actions, how many would be hurt, and be left hurt if they ever achieved what they fight so hard for.

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      8 months ago

      Anarchists don’t fight for a world with zero authority. They fight for a world that has justified authority. If you say, “well lots of things don’t require authority that people swear is necessary!” Yes, that’s why it’s an entire axiom and not a childish thought.

      Learn what political ideologies even want before you attempt to insult them.

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        8 months ago

        I think you are giving too much credit to how much thought most anarchists themselves have given to the axiom.

        To be perfectly blunt, and yes this is anecdotal, most of the “anarchists” I’ve met are bored and uninformed.

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          8 months ago

          Not sure where you meet anarchists, but the ones I’ve met are the most educated, hard working, and empathetic people I’ve ever met

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            8 months ago

            I live in the Deep South, and that’s been my experience with the (precious few) anarchists and socialists, for that matter, that I’ve met, as well.

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              8 months ago

              Maybe go to a direct action group like Food Not Bombs or Defend the Atlanta Forest? Anarchists who actually do praxis are where you’ll find real anarchists.

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                8 months ago

                I don’t currently have transportation and will be heavily occupied for several months. That said, I have attended events and spoken with Food Not Bombs people, and they are amazing, really good people. I had traveled a state north to do it, though, and if my plans pan out, I intend to find and work with them (in general, not necessarily the exact same people) in the future. Working with Atlanteans are quite possible, I won’t discount them but in general hope to travel northwards a bit. But who knows what tomorrow holds, I could well end up in Georgia.

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        8 months ago

        justified authority

        I think ‘organization without authority’ would be a better way to put it.

        It sounds like you probably mean that, I just think that for a lot of anarchists ‘authority’ is a bad word. I don’t call myself an anarchist, but I agree with a lot of anarchist thought. Certainly to me ‘justified authority’ sounds like a contradiction in terms - all authority is based on artificial and unjust hierarchies, so could never be justified.

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          8 months ago

          Right, organization does not require authority, it requires coordination. Authority’s only purpose is to coerce other’s behavior, this is what is to be avoided in an anarchist society.

          Anarchism can still have leaders, but they would lead voluntary teams because they are respected and capable of coordination, not because they are powerful.

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      8 months ago

      That’s why authoritarian propaganda from the Kremlin and CCP supports both of them. Divide and conquer.

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      8 months ago

      Most anarchists i’ve met tend to be focused on the practical and spend most of their lives thinking and talking about the ramifications of their actions and political action in general.

      If you’re seeing similarities between ‘rightist nihilists’ and anarchists, you’re looking at stereotypes and not reality. They’re world’s apart. Anarchism requires a core of burning optimism about human capacity for co-operation and self governance. Depending on what you mean by ‘rightist nihilists’ you’re talking about no strong beliefs or diametrically opposed beliefs, goals, organizing structures, etc.

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        8 months ago

        I’ve never met a practical anarchist.

        They’re all edgelords who are ironically looking for a sense of belonging.

        Progressives are the most rational, level-headed bunch that’s actually trying to help society.