The full quote is much more enlightening IMO:
What I’m asking you to do is to say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.
Frankly, I’m surprised that the current slate of indictments haven’t extended to MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, and the rest of their traitor caucus compatriots.
I think it would be very hard to prosecute, because the Constitution gives direct protection to Members of Congress who are discussing matters at the Capitol in their official capacity, in the Speech and Debate clause. And since validating the Electoral College count is expressly spelled out in the Constitution as a thing Congress does, it will be hard to argue that the Speech and Debate Clause doesn’t apply.
MTG passed out pictures of Hunter’s penis in Congress, after all, and is not likely to face any repercussions at all. (If she does, it will be because she tweeted it, too.,…)
I think it all really depends on what you have evidence they said, saw and knew.
Yeah, I agree it will be impossible to convict a congressional rep for voting against certification. BUT if you have evidence that person was attending meetings where a criminal conspiracy was taking place and especially if you have evidence they were directed to stall, and especially if they knew what was to happen after the vote failed… Then idk maybe they can be charged as part of a conspiracy. But just voting NO on it? I don’t think that’s criminal in and of itself.
Not every tool is used for every job
Especially since the propaganda machine is working on the current round of charges.
Once Trump goes down the rest will follow
Depends on if a Republican wins in 2024…if they do, all this goes away.
I agree. But I’m also not particularly opposed to a hammer being used in place of a screwdriver in this specific instance.
Since we’re sure we would rather have rule of law Instead of a tyrant, we don’t get to make exceptions or pick when the rules apply. That we barely get a say in the rules is beside the point.
Anyway my only point here was actually more about how I’m not even sure Boebs was guilty enough of these charges. The prosecutors have a strong incentive to advance only the charges they can make stick, or the whole case could fail.
Who knows, currently it’s a matter of switch sides or get indicted.
Yep. Don’t let them get away with pinning everything on Trump. The rest of the GOP is just as complicit.
I’m so sick of these headlines.
They remind me of the endless headlines over the years (decades, actually) of how the Republican party is ready to collapse or implode or explode or insert-other-ominous-word-here.
As with all those failed predictions of the GOP going the way of the dodo bird, until I see Trump in an orange jumpsuit I won’t believe any of the shit they claim will happen.
@Hazdaz I kind of feel like the GOP has imploded, though. Since Trump especially (and really I think this strain of anti-democracy conservativism dates back to the 2000 election where they saw that they could just bully their way into stealing elections), there doesn’t seem to be much of the Republican Party that preceeded him left. Now it’s all antidemocratic fascists and nutjobs. Just because they call themselves Republicans and win elections doesn’t mean their politics really has anything to do with what their party stands for on paper.
I think it’s more a case of being careful what you wish for. Yes, they imploded. Yes, they don’t really exist anymore. What has supplanted them is so much worse
I really hate this perspective. It’s just plain wrong.
Trump DID NOT change the Republican party. He only made them think the mask was no longer necessary. They’ve been pro war, pro tax cuts, pro business, pro rich, pro racism, and anti-democracy… for literally decades.
Now that they’re not using platitudes and not couching their rhetoric in obvious lies it’s suddenly evil?!
Trump did not change the Republican party
Hell, he wasn’t even the first time they rioted after losing an election. That happened in 2000, when paid republican operatives disrupted the recount that would have confirmed al gore as president long enough for the supreme court to step in and award the state (and, therefore, the presidency) to dubya without counting the votes at all. Google ‘brooks brothers riot’, several Republican staffers openly acknowledge that they were there to use violence in order to stop the votes from being counted despite initial claims that they were only there to observe the process and ensure that it was fair. This includes congressman John Sweeney, who said “What I essential told my people was ‘You’ve got to stop them.’” Trump thought he could get away with this because Bush already had gotten away with it. They even planned copycat riots in Arizona and Nevada in 2020 because it worked the first time.
In the last 30 years Republicans have won the presidency 3 times despite having only gotten more votes than the other guy once. They have had two riots after elections, one of which successfully delayed counting votes long enough for the Republican to be installed as president, and one which failed to delay certification long enough to install the Republican. They are against democracy and in favor of violence. They consistently act with those values in mind. They are enemies of democracy and freedom.
That happened in 2000, when paid republican operatives disrupted the recount that would have confirmed al gore as president long enough for the supreme court to step in and award the state (and, therefore, the presidency) to dubya without counting the votes at all. Google ‘brooks brothers riot’
It just completely blows my mind that this happened and, more so, that it was allowed to stand after the fact. I think I read somewhere that Gore decided not to contest it in order to not mess with the peaceful transfer of power, but man…
Just imagine how world events had played out if Al Gore had been president on and after September 11th, 2001. Imagine the progress we could have made on climate change 24 years ago. I understand that it’s pure speculation, that he could have been a lukewarm president. But come on, he would have been loads better that GWB even if all he did was twirl his fingers.
MLK Jr DID warn everyone about the complacency of the comfortable… Too bad people suck at listening to difficult but good advice.
He killed their euphemisms
Yeah, I feel like the Republican Party has evolved (or devolved) into what they are now, but it’s not like they hadn’t already been moving in this direction anyways, he accelerated it if anything. Trump took advantage of a Party that wanted a “strongman”, he brought the racism, billionaire businessman background, toxic masculinity and performances you might normally see in wrestling back room drama or talk radio, and a feigned devotion to the Church (that was probably his weakest trait, thus Mike Pence). He brought together a lot of elements of the Republican Party that were already all there, just not really ever focused in one person with such a shitty moral compass and motivation to take advantage of the GOP. Pre-Trump, the GOP has mostly had boring business people like George Bush, Mitt Romney, Bob Dole, and Newt Gingrich and others, nobody really “inspiring” to them like Ronald Reagan.
Please use Satan’s full title, Ronald “Genocidal Astrology Fascist” Reagan.
I… I think you both are mostly saying the same thing. Just OP considers the “mask removal” a pretty big event (which I would agree with - we likely wouldn’t have gotten such extremist behavior with the alt-right if they hadn’t felt empowered by their figurehead).
They don’t seem to be defending pre-Trump republicanism - just saying that Trump caused a lot of really bad party puzzle pieces to fall into place, and effectively caused the party to implode, which IS shown by infighting, their abysmal midterm results (relative to how everyone expected them to perform), their inability to get on the same page with literally anything and, most of all, their donor money running dry
They would’ve done the same things, especially if they got the supreme court stacked like Trump did but without the extra drama.
It’d just be Mitt Romney spouting about protecting marriage and family values from erosion by all those miscreants instead of ol’ Marge TG spouting off about the drag queens grooming your kids at the library.
If anything, it’s actually a blessing Trump pulled the mask off. Now, only the truly dense or selfish fail to understand or admit how vile the Republican “leadership” is.
Whne you say same things, are tou also talking about January 6 and the increase in alt-right domestic terrorism? Because that would be where we disagree.
The GOP absolutely imploded. That’s why they went from “compassionate conservative” to full on fash.
They kinda did though. The tea party wackos took it over.
This…
I’ve been hearing “This isn’t fascism these are the death wails of a dying party” Since Bush’s second term…
The GOP dies with the Boomers so we still have a bit before it goes away. The DNC will become the new right but it will be because the center moves left and a Progressive Party is formed.
The GOP dies with the Boomers
This is incredibly dangerous and flat out WRONG thinking. This is being beyond naive.
It not archaic, but the republican party will have to make shifts to survive, whether that be further gerrymandering states to favor them, or pivoting on toxic policies, but the real truth is they lost a whole generation
They won’t die, but if they make no changes, they will be referenced like today’s green party. No one will think them capable of winning an election.
I agree they won’t die but they will take a hit. As of 2021, 23% of Americans aged 18 to 29 are conservative, compared to 45% of Americans aged 65 and up.
Sorry but your political enemy is dying off. They went to far right to pivot.
I wish you were right but we’re not that lucky.
The GOP dies with the Boomers
Looking at all the MAGA rallies over the last years, it looked like most attendants were significantly younger than Boomer age. Same with the guys who fly Trump flags on their pickup trucks. Same with the January 6 crowd. Same with the Proud Boys. Same with Bikers for Trump. Same with Moms for Liberty.
I think it’s wishful thinking to believe that the GOP will just disappear when the last Boomer dies. The GOP has already transformed into the party of Trump over the last couple of years, and it will keep on transforming.
It would take significantly more than old people dying fit them GOP to vanish.
MAGA is made up of people who are the scum of society. Criminals, con artists, drug dealers, etc… Hopefully you don’t think that is who the majority of voters are.
As the saying goes, “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”
I don’t care how many Republicans are troubled by Trump’s behavior, I don’t care how many Republicans think he’s a bit too much, I don’t care how many Republicans dislike the MAGA movement.
Talk is cheap.
74 million voters decided that they wanted Trump to be president for another term in 2020, decided to give Trump their vote, decided to support Trump. That makes them Trump supporters.
Not all Republicans are sitting at the same table. There are two very different tables and only one has Nazis sitting at it.
There are two very different tables and only one has Nazis sitting at it.
The one with the Nazis sitting at it has 74 million people.
How many Republicans are sitting at the other table, and where can I find that table?
Some of us GenX, as kids, thought it would die with the ‘Greatest’ Generation and the Silent Generation. You know, the Strom Thurmonds of the world. The problem is, boomers that seemed cool actually weren’t - and were just hiding it - way more than we could have believed. And growing up during Reagan poisoned a bunch of us too.
New bigots keep getting made. Preventing it needs an active approach.
@YoBuckStopsHere I don’t know, I feel like I’ve been waiting 40 years for a new political party to be formed in the US.
It seems more like the two we have just keep morphing.
That’s because the only time the D’s and R’s actually work together is to quash any 3rd Party from gaining traction.
They also band together to lower taxes on our oligarchy and corporations.
Trump will never go to prison. He’s a liability. He’d blab top secret info for an extra scoop of ice cream.
He’d blab top secret info for an extra scoop of ice cream.
That’s why places like ADX Florence exist.
I think former presidents should get a more dramatic and unique prison to rot in.
I vote Alcatraz
As a San Franciscan I’m not sure if I’m offended by the idea of him being that close, or intrigued by the idea of being able to hop a boat to go point and laugh at him
I think putting the former POTUS in solitary confinement indefinitely is probably too cruel even for his largest detractors. I mean that’s straight torture.
Not to mention he can still blab to the guards and clearing guards is more trouble than its worth. Most likely he’ll be confined to house arrest for his sentence. Hopefully he’ll be banned from using the internet or engaging with media agencies.
Entire Republican Party needs to be held accountable. Not just DJT. Every elected official who objected certifying 2020 election needs to be put on trial for perpetrating the lie and harming the democracy.
All of them and every single one of their fleas!
Just an appetizer before the real thing 🥳
Don’t forget the end of that quote:
“and the Republican congressmen”@Chainweasel Remember the January 6 rioters that got into the Senate chamber rifling through senator’s desks? How when they came upon Ted Cruz’s desk they started reading the speech he had left there, got all riled up about it, then one of the rioters stops them and says something to the effect of “this is Ted Cruz - it’s okay. He’s with us”?
It would be so fantastic is he actually did go to prison, but I just really don’t think it will happen. I hope I’m wrong and they throw MTG and Ted Zodiac Cruz in there with him for good measure.
You might be right. He has lifetime Secret Service protection. Would they sit in the cell with him? Any time served would need to be in a secure, comfortable location. It would be a half-assed prison at best.
I profoundly disagree. You can’t just lock up those two without Boebert. What kind of justice system is this! Lol
It doesn’t matter, fact don’t matter to dogs only loyalty.
So, armchair pundits…what are your thoughts on the fact they’re trying to get this moved to a federal court?
Fundamental Trump legal strategy: sue over everything, appeal when you lose, hope the other side runs out of time, money, or patience. Sue over the evidence in the indictment. Sue over the venue. Sue over the prosecutor. Sue over the trial date. Sue over the jury. Sue over the courtroom lights…
It won’t happen. Voting laws are a state issue and not a Federal issue.
Funny how you haven’t heard republicans screaming “StAteS RigHTS!!!” in a while.
Somehow those rights were extremely important when it came to forcing women to give birth.
Except they’re not anymore now that Republicans are trying to enact their forced birth laws everywhere.
The Atlantic had a blurb on it this morning. One of the problems is that constitutionally, the president has no role in their own election. Another problem is that… , I forget, here’s the article.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/trump-georgia-indictment-motion-remove/675019/
From what I heard a commentator say on TV last night, the move to federal court would be more so that the trail wouldn’t be televised. The case would still be under Georgia law and it being tried in Federal court wouldn’t change the fact that it wouldn’t be pardonable by the governor or president.
At least he got this nice photo collage of his face out of it
