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        But they also eat my nectar. I dont like it

        (I didnt knew it, thought that they could die without consequences)

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      They are a major food source for other animals, pollinators and they spread diseases (which is very beneficial for the diseases).

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        I know you are right. But my hate for those bastards keep me from saying something nice about them.

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      I really liked that in Raised by Wolves it was an alternate timeline where there was no Christianity.

      Instead the religious fanatics eradicating the atheists were Mithraics.

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      You’re probably right but I can’t help thinking there would just be a different version, equally harmful and controlling, stunting our growth.

      I think it’s part of us that we have to outgrow as a species. For some reason I’m confident that will happen, given enough time.

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        Talked about this a ton with an LLM a couple months back. The thing is, there was never an alternative that captured a similar psychotic zealotry. All groups have their faiths throughout the same eras, but none match the exported hate, murder, and industrial scale slaughter of other humans like the Abrahamic faiths. Confusion Monks never invaded France. Buddhists never occupied Scandinavia. The hate, death, and constant conflict of the Abrahamic faiths are the absolute most toxic and harmful aspect of all of humanity. The most deadly conflict since WW2 has been in Africa over the last few years. Most of the west isn’t even talking about this. It is a Abrahamic in origin. Gaza is the same. It has all been like this for 2500 years of constant killing. Other places had minor issues, but they never exported and in the present, these others are mostly in decline. If you take away the Abrahamic faiths, I bet all are gone in half a millennia. The man was as schizophrenic as the nations and peoples he left in his wake. Taming the ghost of the worlds most psychotic killer changes everything for the better.

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          You’re getting religion mixed up with technology and opportunity.

          There’s been plenty of violence, war, and extremism in the name of Buddha and Confucius. They absolutely can be used to justify genocide, just look at Myanmar. It’s very difficult to find a major religion that has never produced fanatical sociopaths.

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            Never on boats across seas and continents. Nowhere on earth now is really safe from the history and influence of colonialism. All of those expeditions carried a strong religious underpinning that was the primary capital motivation in case of loss. Myanmar is no exception. All of it only happened because it was underpinned by religious bullshit. Many cultures were motivated by trade in the past but none of those that only cared for trade ever had the kind of history of death accompanied by Abrahamic faiths. This is the primary commonality with all of the worst acts in human history in one form or another. Shedding this one awful thing would be the largest positive change possible. Abrahamic faith is the single greatest disease in all of history.

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      I’m an atheist and think we’d be better off if we moved beyond religion. That said, I don’t think it’s true we’d be so much farther ahead without it.

      Looking at early humans I think religion was a competitive advantage, because it organized groups of people who might not otherwise have worked together. It allowed us to move beyond tribal affiliation, to create a common “operating system” for societies and conceive of and pursue multigenerational goals.

      I think we can do all that stuff now without religion, but also think we need more explicitly defined structures and institutions to fill the role religion has played.

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      At the end of the day he’s a fragile human being who appears to suffer from moderately bad mental health issues. I’d argue that he is more of a symptom of something going wrong with our society than a cause, even if he does amplify certain undesirable viewpoints.

      If he didn’t exist some other charlaton would get niche internet celebrity status by making hot takes from a similar perspective.

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      He causes no harm to the people who don’t like him but he has helped thousands of young men sort their lives out and get their shit together. This has objectively made a huge positive impact in the world.

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              he encourages the idea that physical fun time is a human right

              Care to elaborate on this? I’ve listened probably 20 hours of him talking but I don’t remember him saying anything like this. To me his core message seems to be that stop blaming the world for your issues and instead look in the mirror and sort your own life out first. He even became famous as the “clean your own room before you go out fixing the world” dude.

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                I said that euphemistically, but he’s quite famous for his teachings regarding the community known as incels which he describes as having been failed by society, mentioning his notion that they would be satisfied if society was built according to ideal conditions, which implies what they want should be a given, with incels being predominantly men, most of whom are self-convinced into thinking their situation is more than happenstance and almost never based on their own prior social conduct.

                The belief in inherent entitlements and obligations, especially when they’re not even balanced, is the biggest reason society has succumbed so hard in the first place, which he even says when it doesn’t involve the interests of his target audience, yet in any discussion on sexuality, including asexuality, which his dismissal of is feeding into some of how we’re treated in the world, you’ll find him bringing up this train of thought.

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                  The quote you linked is not from Jordan Peterson but a random twitter user called “TYL80737692”

                  If you want to know JP’s thought on incels you can look it up and hear it from the man himself rather than look for someone to intrepret it for you and add their own spin to it.

                  From the comments of the first video: “It’s ironic that mainstream media slandered Jordan Peterson as “King of the incels” when he routinely tells men that if women don’t find them attractive - it’s not the women’s fault - but men’s fault, and it’s each man’s responsibility to fix it.”

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    Poverty. It’s honestly something I don’t wish upon my worst enemy and the fact I’ve seen so much shit due to it, it’s something I can never get back and now will have to endlessly live with the pain until the day I literally die.

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      Pocerty is crazy. When i grew up, i didn’t really know any poor people. The closest i got was a family that moved here from Sarajevo, because they had a war going. They weren’t poor, because we have a good safety net for things like that (for the most part.) when i got older, there was the occasional beggar in the city. When i was 20 ish, i went to canada for two weeks, and ithey had not only more beggars, they had different beggars. Like i have never seen someone going through a garbage bin to find food. I talked to a guy in a suit who was eating a donut that i threw away. He lost his job like 3 weeks ago and was on the street pretty much from one week to another. I’m not shitting on canada at all, it was just the first time that i left europe.

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        I said it as a joke cos someone said capitalism its an excellent example of lemmys political bias. I find it very interesting that lemmy embodies so many of the ideals of the marketplace of idea a fundamentally libertarian concept yet it has a bias towards the extreme left that fundamentally hate the concept.

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          The sickening irony of “theOSINTguy” talking about “one or two more genocides” when America has been complicit, has aided, and is abetting two genocides rn, with one JUST in the rear-view after Obama left office. You settlers are not slick.

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            I think you forgetting rule number 1 of genocides. Its not a genocide if you win the war. Winners write history. Not saying its right that’s just how it is.

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          According to them that’s not real communism as its never been tried properly. They are missing the fundamental problem that it can never be tried properly cos it can never be implemented successfully. But they don’t let that stop them.

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              What does that even mean? Are u calling me a coloniser? A convict? Both? Please explain ur idiotic logic.

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                  Its called “English (traditional)” as opposed to the yanks who use “English (simplified)”. Remind me again what you Americans did to your native population? Three words pot kettle black.

    • ohh nooo! them evil asiaric barbarians want to improve our lives, how horrible!

      thank mammon god that we saved them by giving them shock therapy and with it the great carrier options of crime and prostitution.

      we are so civilized.

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        What kind of a sick fuck thinks disliking communism makes u a pedo. You have serious problems maybe stop projecting.

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          The venn diagram between “libertarians”, “fascists”, and “people who spend WAY MORE TIME than what is advisable or conscionable arguing about the age of consent” is three degrees in any direction from being a pure circle; and ironically, all three of these entities have a rather hateful hardon for communists.

          It’s almost like an ideology that revolves around abolishing exploitative sociological relationships makes enemies of exploiters or something; go figure.

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            So according to you all libertarians are facist child abusers? You realise how fucking stupid that sounds there are a lot of libertarians and very few facists and child abusers who anyone with half a brain hates. You my simple minded friend clearly don’t understand how Venn diagrams and mathematics works or ur purposefully being a cunt. Which one is it, are u stupid or a cunt?

            As for the ideology thing I think ull find that the problem with communism is that we don’t live in an ideal world and unfortunately a communist utopia is a profoundly unachievable goal. Sure I fully support ur efforts in abolishing exploitative structures who not do something that actually can make change like join a union or write an email to literally every politician u can vote for a threaten to vote them out.

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              So according to you all libertarians are facist child abusers?

              Haven’t seen a reason to believe otherwise. Beyond all that, I’m not reading the rest of your aggrieved, scratched-liberal horseshit.

              As for the ideology thing

              You are a spineless, collaborating quisling to the capitalist elite, and undoubtedly a taker-of-liberties inspired by their exploitations. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be fighting so hard to preserve it. Hope one of your indigenes takes back everything your ancestors stole, cac.

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                Haven’t seen a reason to believe otherwise

                Go touch grass

                I’m just fighting for everyone’s right to self determination and expression. These ideas aren’t necessarily against the ideology of communism just its implementation. Anyone who thinks any implementation will go differently than literally every other example in history is a complete moron or purposefully ignorant of history.

                Look man I’m going to ignore ur baseless inflammatory and outright hateful tantrum and ask u to go educate urself on history, culture, and political ideology. You have swallowed someone else’s ideology without question or independent evaluation you have fallen for the exact same process of manipulation used by the the neo facists and Nazis. However me saying any of this is going to be completely pointless since uve been trained to ignore any argument that doesnt fit what u already believe. I guess in ur world 2+2 really does equal 5.

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                Hope one of your indigenes takes back everything your ancestors stole

                That one’s going in the dank bank!