• wscholermann@aussie.zone
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    While the closing of psychiatric hospitals and putting people out there in the community was well meaning, I do think they went too far with it. Some folks are a danger to themselves and others and honestly probably need to be in an institution.

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      The issue was that Jeff Kennett closed the institutions with the idea that there would be support in the community, and then the funding for that support later got slashed.

      I agree there’s a real problem though.

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        To be fair it’s a trend that occured across the western world (closure of facilities), so it’s certainly not isolated to Victoria.

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      It’s going to sound barbaric but I feel like this happens a lot when bad things come to light, or are realised by the masses. A couple of things that come to mind from Resi are that hugs with workers were either banned or highly discouraged depending on the placement, regardless of circumstance, and because of all the people that used to come in to work with kids just to feel like a mini dictator, pretty much any form of punishment was prohibited

      The last one was kind of hard for me to swallow because I came into the system after they’d been formally banned and restricted in usage, but before the old timers had quit. So when I moved in, if you stepped out of line, there’d be consequences. Might be no drives, or an outing getting cancelled, or losing out on pocket money. But then a few years later all the hardened old timers had quit, and it felt like a free for all. The others would smash up the kitchen, not clean up their mess, go off at a worker, then go to Geelong an hour later.

      obviously though...

      Obviously that’s not to say that punishment or consequences always have their place, but it just sort of sucked to see other people get away with stuff I’d’ve gotten in deep shit for. But not always getting my way did end up making me a more rounded person and less of a little shot, so I guess it helped me

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      A lot of people you see having episodes are fucked on ice. I know this for a fact because I used to run with a lot of them.

      Some want to quit and they should have access to treatment and resources to allow them to reintegrate into society.

      But then there’s the others. And honestly, these people are the larger percentage. They don’t want to quit. They either see no issue with their lifestyle or are too dependant to even consider quitting.

      It’s this second cohort we need to figure out what to do with. The first lot just need government funding.

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        Perhaps the solution for the second group is to figure out a way to make them not get on drugs in the first place, at least not the variety that is prone to inducing psychosis. From what I know, most people who get hard into the drugs have usually had a shit start to their life. So better mental health care is probably a good option to start with. Besides that, better systems for looking after kids in care, more resources being put into rehabilitating parents who are in/have been in prison, more of an emphasis on family preservation and/or reunification are good bets.

        I do think that the second group are fixable and can become their former selves again, but it’s a fine line. The only option I see for them is some sort of forced intervention and rehabilitation. But obviously you can’t just take people in psychosis, stick them in a prison, and wish for the best. You also can’t just make them go cold turkey, so you’d need somewhere to ethically hold them (more than likely against their will), while also still providing some of whatever drug they’re on, without risking an overdose or allowing any secret syphoning into other people’s bodies (people pretending to shoot up but saving some to sell to other people, etc), and all of that while keeping them and their families reasonably happy, and not violating UN conventions on illegal detainment, and our human rights laws. So thats probably not happening under any democratic government

        And then you’d also need a way to make sure that it isn’t easily accessible to them again. Which probably means even more enforcement of drug laws, more drug dogs in public, random searches, etc, which would also piss off everybody

        Tbh I don’t see how it is possible to rehabilitate them in an ethical, just, and civilised way. But nonetheless, there are options. It’s the sort of thing I could see working in a dictatorship, but then the problem becomes the dictators or their cronies getting paid off to look the other way

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          Perhaps the solution for the second group is to figure out a way to make them not get on drugs in the first place, at least not the variety that is prone to inducing psychosis.

          That requires some really difficult conversations about how western society is broken AF, and no one seemingly wants to have that cause it doesn’t help the capitalist system.

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        Both of them are due to Shit Life Syndrome. Honestly with everything electronically tuned to produce the biggest state of fear imaginable on top of end stage capitalism, I’m not surprised that substance escapism is rampant.

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          that substance escapism is rampant.

          escapism as an addiction is a huge problem. But no one wants to talk about phone or alcohol addiction as its often not as public.

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            I’d easily argue alcohol addiction is very much public in Australia. But as long as it’s the amiable cool fun guy social drinking you get a pass.

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    Carpet moths and nests have been sprayed with cleaning solution (because bug spray is exxy and unsafe for the cat, this cleaning solution is meant to be safe though) and they seem to be carking it. I hate myself for not realising sooner - depression is a hell of an illness 😓

    Edit: also located small handheld vacc so I can clean the exhaust fans in the bathroom.

    I can see why people hire cleaners.

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      Don’t beat yourself up. I totally get it.

      I’d be interested in knowing the cat safe cleaning product that kills carpet moths pls 👀 One still flew by last night

      For what I know of/use

      I hate that there aren’t more safe products for using around cats. There is Sundew flea control spray which I don’t use as it’s scented in Vanilla and Lavender, but if you’re not worried about scent around the cat that costs less. It’s pyrethrin free so seems safe. Another more expensive option is the Frontline spray. That’s also pyrethrin free, they say to spray it on the pet but I save it to spray in carpeted places that are harder to vacuum frequently/bugs may easily flee to and hit the more open spaces with the vacuum. These are obviously flea product but I don’t think moths would like them.

      Between moths and fleas I’m still hot washing and drying all my clothes to put in bags and plastic tubs.

      I find the pheromone glue traps are good too, they’re catching some moths and seeing new bodies lets you know if they’re still around.

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        Idk if it is actually safe, but it’s just the cleaning powder mixed with water. Diluted. But it doesn’t seem to set the cat off or make him sick.

        They come in sachets and you just add to water in a squirt bottle.

        I’ve chucked out what I could, that has moth shit on it, and sprayed the stuff I cannot wash. The stuff I can wash is going through a few hot water cycles with some detergent. Idk if that will be enough, having worked for pest control I know they’re fkn hard to be rid of. But maybe this will cull them down significantly that my LL won’t lose their freaking minds 😬

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          Moth rambles

          It’s a shame pest control often uses chemicals that are dodgy for cats. I had my place sprayed once years ago in desperation and it’s meant to be safe once dry but I was feeling pretty dizzy going back in after it was done. I wouldn’t want my cat walking on it and licking her paws, and the spray takes hours to dry.

          I’m washing drying and bagging my clothes and just keeping out the most frequently worn easily washed stuff in bags/tubs. Spritzing Frontline spray under furniture, inside the hanging fabric shoe shelves I use as a linen press, and will do the inside of my crappy fabric/cloth drawers. Might use those to store non-cloth things. My yarns and fabric can stay in sealed space bags indefinitely until anything is dead.

          I may have to scrub out my pantry with vinegar and keep any kind of food in the fridge so the moths can’t feast. (I mostly do but I’m talking anything that’s feasibly edible - I’m already keeping the cocoa and teabags in there and may add more.)

          The decluttering and routine vacuuming is going to be the real killer though. The physical labour and focus required is really going to drag this shit out unless I get help. If it ever gets resolved. Thought they were gone but saw one fly past. I don’t even know how the little bastards got in.

           

          Sorry this isn’t about me. Just commiserating.

  • CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zoneOP
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    I just wanted to remind people if anyone is struggling due to the craziness of the last couple of days speak up.

    Anyone working from home today because of the protests?

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      I wanted to but had to head in. I think we are a bit away from it so hopefully will be fine and all over before evening trains … Hope they can protest and it’s peaceful enough. Its all been a bit crap out there lately.

  • StudSpud The Starchy@aussie.zone
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    Bathroom and kitchen sinks cleaned, toilet done. Vacc’d the study and hallway. Wiped windows, benches, fridge and walls.

    Tomorrow I will tackle the bedroom and living rooms and hopefully my LL won’t realise I’m an actual piece of shit.

    Also, can anyone confirm that lack of airflow causes mold? I found some on the fridge and windows and wonder if my lack of flyscreen is to blame? (As in I am hesitant to open doors/windows due to bugs because I don’t have flyscreen at all). Weighing up whether it is worth grabbing those temp ones from Bunnings or not…

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      It’s probably condensation from cooking. If you have a kitchen door to the outside keep it open a little during cooking and always use your range hood if you have one.

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        The kitchen is in the complete opposite side of the room to the windows 😭 and we do use the rangehood. I disinfected the windows and fridge and will keep an eye on it.

        Nothing in the bathroom, interestingly, doesn’t have windows either. But it does have two exhaust fans 🤷‍♀️

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          It’s all those delicious fucking meals your partner makes. If you’re gonna buy a fly screen just buy it for the one closest to your stove.

  • CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zoneOP
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    On Saturday morning we woke up to the news my FIL had a mini stroke the night before. My husband got a pretty nasty text from his sister which he was about to retaliate to until I reminded him that she just buried her FIL three days ago. Then we have stabbings and shit going on overseas, protests here and I still had to hem pants for my daughter for school tomorrow. Although nothing really directly affected me I’m like “enough already”. Hence the reason Comfortably Numb popped into my head last night.

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    There is a random black cat wandering around my back yard and is currently sitting on top of my shed. I had a brief moment of fear until I confirmed Miss Meow is still safely curled up in her basket snoozing.

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      There’s a black cat that lives on my street that walks me home when I come back late. My local bus round the corner finishes at 9pm, but there’s another bus at the end of my street a 10 minute walk away that runs til midnight. 9/10 times I’m walking home, the kitty runs up behind me and walks alongside me for a few blocks then sits on the corner and watches me go home

      Best photo of the kitty I’ve been able to get so far:

  • SituationCake@aussie.zone
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    Controversial opinion, but I think the tv coverage of the Bondi incident has been too saturated. The exact same images and story over and over again without anything new to report. Yes, it’s a terrible tragedy. But wow the media latches on and just won’t let go until it’s absolutely drained every last drop of blood out of it.

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      Yes! I noticed this. I think this has become much more common after the COVID era of people being glued to media for an extended period of time. The powers that be want that behaviour to continue.

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      did you see the footage broadcast live on Saturday arvo? I thought the presenter was about to pop a boner from the excitement of having a story. It was disgusting.

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      I don’t watch aussie news at all and read newspapers maybe once a week

      so missed all the arseholery by the media

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      I Agree with you.

      I saw quite a bit on tv over the weekend and all they did was rehash and even reword sentences over and over just to extend the coverage and constantly interview people who said were guessing what happened but that the police had to complete their investigations and stuff before they could make a factual statement.

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    Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins, judge finds.

    I’m shocked, I tell you!

    Extra bonus comment: “Having escaped the lion’s den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat.
    Such a great way to put it. That criminal trial was not going his way. When he escaped with a mistrial, he really should have faded into obscurity. But noooooooooo, he willingly went back for more. Idiot.

    To think, 5 years ago, he harbored the idea of going into politics.

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      Been looking at this today. Sadly even though the judge has come to that judgement it can’t incur any criminal penalties according to the ABC.

      "“I hasten to stress this is a finding on the balance of probabilities.”

      Mr Lehrmann faced a criminal trial in the ACT Supreme Court in 2022, which collapsed without a verdict due to juror misconduct.

      This trial is a civil defamation trial where the burden of proof is less and does not lead to any criminal punishment."

      Despite that it’s a good ruling.

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      He’s so full of himself, it’s amazing his head can squeeze through the courtroom doors. But I guess that’s what makes a personality for politics, probably would have risen to the top in no time. Hopefully he finally fades away never to be seen again.

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    Taped to the front door of my workplace this morning - wtf?

    spoiler

    My workplace does not have a dog of any sort.

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    Freakin love the home affairs youtube ad talking about setting up Multifactor auth. I mean, Bro I’m in talks right now with Microsoft regarding best practices of conditional access MFA and the depreciation of per user MFA policies, so you might’ve wasted the budget on me. But its good to see someone OTHER than the banks starting to push this shit. We’ve gotta get past this “I’m old. I dont GET computers” attitudes, cause if that’s your take you better get off the internet and go back to a pen and paper as you’re doing exactly what attackers want you to do: Bury your head in the sand under the guise of “its all too hard”.

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    Inspection on Thursday, so I have many chores to do before then.

    My apartment is the physical manifestation of depression and untreated ADHD. I’ve written a list for each room and general cleaning, and will start from the back and move to the front.

    Pray for me.

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      🙏

      If you can’t extend its life with duct tape or get hold of a new vacuum in time it is possible to sweep carpet with a broom. It’s not perfect but works surprisingly well and is better than nothing.

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        Thank you! Will try that for sure!

        I cannot believe how many fucking carpet moths there are. Serves me right for leaving my beanbags on the floor.

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