I know they’ve always been on Lemmy, but it seems like the past few weeks it’s slowly increasing, making me want to just stay on beehaw /local. Showing up on more communities, even on instances that ban that type of trolling explicitly.
Anyone else notice this?
Note: When I’m saying Tankie here, I’m not referring to far leftists, socialists, anti-capitalists, etc. I’m talking about trolls that act leftist but their actual intent is to cause infighting and support authoritarian regimes. Sealioning, all that stuff.
“Tankies” are most likely russian troll farm folk cosplaying as leftists in an attempt to re-elect donald. They desperately want to divide the left and calve off biden voters.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety/episodes/voter-vibe-check-why-trump-has-more-support-black-voters-ever
That might be worth a listen for you. There’s lots of reason for a lot of people to dislike biden. If your choice is between Trump and a guy that’s actively supporting genocide, I can’t blame you for not voting.
To be clear, I’d vote biden, but I can’t blame people for not voting.
I can, considering the chances of Trump intensifying support of the genocide is 100%
Imagine choosing between genocide and genocide and still thinking you have a choice.
Imagine thinking only one issue has ever existed.
My brother in Christ, when the “moral” wing of the single corpo party supports sidestepping congress to do genocide, there’s nothing to save.
Ah, so it’s not about choice, it’s about pretending you have no choice because it’s easier to give up than actually do something.
Tell me how voting for a pro genocide “party” that when its mid right corpo establishment was even remotely challenged went to court to have it ruled they’re a private organization that does what it wants and moves the goalposts every time a third 0arty approaches the requirements for inclusion does literally anything?
You live and die by this “save us from trump then fix it” narrative but YOUR party already explicitly cut off all routes to change. You’re blue MAGA screaming how only you can save the country. Hell your Mommy went on TV like a week ago and said anybody unhappy with Biden should stfu and eat a dick.
When the “moral” wing of our singular corporate party is all in on genocide, there’s nothing to save anyway - you’re just fighting for your comfortable status quo no matter who goes down for it. You’re throwing Palestinians under the bus to protect it and hide behind q pride flag but in a cycle or two when they gun for lgbtq you’ll be making excuses for them too.
@Zorque @Alto @Facebones @Gonkulator @Nia_The_Cat @JayTreeman y’all!
If that helps, think that you also have a choice between someone who supports freedom and democracy in Europe and someone who would tell Russia to do whatever the hell it wants.
I’m not American here but this is the kind of situation that you aren’t voting for the candidate but against something much worse
It’s kicking the can down the road on status quo US policies vs the complete destruction of democracy, but if y’all want to sit out and let Trump get elected, fuck y’all.
I can. Because it’s shortsighted, especially when we already had four years of Trump as an example of what would happen. It’s not like they can say “It’s possible he’d be better!” because we have clear examples that he wouldn’t.
If your choice is between having your house burn down and your toilet overflowing… you don’t just leave the house and never return. You take the toilet overflowing and fix it. Because just leaving it means someone else who’s more responsible has to clean up your mess.
There’s zero chance that that poll was conducted properly. It claims that Trump is getting more Black support than any Republican since Eisenhower this year. That even includes Trump himself from both 4 and 8 years ago!
It’s actually very possible. Black conservative voices look a lot like Trump. Tim Scott, for example; he’s got a nice face, and he seems like a kind person since he always talks up a positive message (“compassionate conservatism”), but his policies align very, very closely with Trump and the far-right elements that have taken over the Republican party. Anecdotally, I’ve known a number of black men in north Georgia that very strongly support Trump.
FiveThirtyEight recently covered this. And it’s looking bad. Bad enough that we–by which I mean people that support a genuine democracy in the US–can’t afford to sit this vote out, even if we believe that Biden’s support for Israel is awful. Because we know Trump is going to be even worse there, and worse in every possible way.
They didn’t vote for him the last time. Or the time before then. Occam’s razor overwhelmingly favors polling error.
The issue is that not voting because you can’t stand either candidate looks exactly the same as not voting because you like both of them equally and don’t mind which of them rules you.
And to be clear, the choice is not Trump vs Genocide. They both support genocide. Trump even more so.
I understand it, but I don’t forgive it.
How dare you insinuate that people aren’t coincidentally voicing how much they hate {Insert American President} during an election year!
This is exactly right. It’s genuinely disappointing how few people realize it.
Funnily enough, this happening to me this morning is exactly what inspired this post
Interesting. Seems a bit suspicious.
Block all Tankies and move on. They’re not real people with real viewpoints. There is no point in conversing with them.
I don’t want to block them, I want to get them out of the fediverse. Lemmy will fail if it can’t get rid of the extremist political propaganda.
@Gonkulator one of them that is the most active really is a Russian living in the West, yet is rolling Kremlin propaganda like crazy. You can find him on Mastodon as well, with his real name displayed on his website.
@Nia_The_Cat