And I’ll just hold my breath until it comes.
I honestly don’t care about “underpowered hardware” and other similar crap. I do care about having to pay a sub just to get cloud saves, Nintendo’s excessively restrictive policies, their obsession with litigating fans, their frustrating inability to understand modern multiplayer, and their increasing desire to rehash the same games many times.
The only reason I owned a Switch was for on-the-go gaming because gaming on phones is a joke, and now I have a Steam Deck.
their obsession with litigating fans
Yeah this is why I’m not a customer of theirs anymore. At this point I’m 100% a PC gamer.
I was gonna say something about needing powerful hardware before I realized the game I was gonna reference as an example was nothing but rushed out code held together by dollar store glue.
This is usually (and sadly) the case.
Will you people stop complaining about the switch being underpowered? Why does it have to be powerful? If you want something powerful, don’t buy it. Simple as that.
Because playing games at 20 FPS feels horrible and people want them to do better? It doesn’t have to be a PS5 and they can keep their gimmick, but playing SMT V without an emulator is not a good time.
It’s not only that thw Switch is underpowered, it’s poorly optimized, if you install windows on it and then run Yuzu, it will run better than the console itself.
I sincerely doubt that. I don’t doubt its poorly optimized, but it does its job. It just isn’t a job that most people here want done.
The problem to me isn’t so much that their hardware has been underpowered, that’s been a thing for like 20 years at this point, since the release of the gamecube or therabouts. The problem to me is that they’ve been incredibly unambitious this generation in terms of making their console something that has an appealing form factor compared to it’s potential competitors, not just in the ps5 and whatever the new xbox is, but with the mobile gaming handhelds like the steam deck, which can apparently pretty easily emulate most of the switch’s library and also serve a bunch of other functions.
I know that the hardcore gaming audience really disliked the motion controls as a central gimmick of the wii, but I really thought it was fun, pretty decent, and that now, with the switch, the technology has actually become good and not a flickery unstable half-mess. The only motion control stuff I can think of is mario party, 1-2 switch, which is old and nobody played, and some aiming mechanics in other games like splatoon or the new zeldas. For a console that is as easily positioned for casual multiplayer as it is, they’ve been consistently very iffy with their output on that front. Combine this with a a resurgence of shitty management practices like their litigiousness, charging more for subscription based access to their older games library, charging for online play, and it’s kind of made me reticent to engage with the switch that I have and reluctant to engage with any new console they might put out.
I’m also going to keep banging the drum that the switch is the most optimally positioned console for playing all of nintendo’s library. If they had wireless connectivity to the dock, probably the hardware wouldn’t be good enough to run it, but you could theoretically run both DS games and Wii U games. Obviously, the console’s already suited well for Wii games, and the rest of their backcatalogue before that. With only their recent library they could provide a pretty good alternative to actual emulation alternatives, but instead it seems they’d rather take a much less effective route.
Also they could probably make it a pretty easy VR experience as they’ve shown with the cardboard shit they had, but fuck that I guess, easier just to do absolutely nothing.
The very first sentence of your post is wrong. The GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, making it the second most powerful console of that generation, just behind the Xbox.
… the rest of your post is pretty decent though…
I wonder of “conservative hardware evolution” in this context just means that it’ll still be a switch, just with upgraded internals.
The fact that the built-in screen might be 1080p implies a decent leap in performance. That’s twice as many pixels as a 720p/800p screen.
Marketing for “the hardware will be outdated sh1t”.
They planned and designed switch 2 a few years ago and are only releasing it now. The hardware will be less powerful than a mid-range smartphone. But it will be better than switch 1. So, evolution, right?
I’m curious to see how this goes. Nintendo really is the only company I’d consider buying a console from anymore. Sure, they’re hardware isn’t very powerful, but it’s pretty hard to justify an Xbox or Playstation when a good gaming PC is a better long-term investment. Nintendo, for all if its faults, is constantly innovating what a system can be, while it’s competitors just release the same product with upgraded graphics.
That being said, the Switch 2 sounds like exactly that: a slightly upgraded switch without any real innovation. Usually, even Nintendo’s failures are interesting, like the Virtual Boy or the Wii U. They almost never release a slightly upgraded product (the only exception being the Game Boy Pocket, which they only made because the Virtual Boy flopped)
No matter what you think of Nintendo as a company, the industry does better when they’re pushing the envelope. For all the (well deserved) praise the Steam Deck gets, it wouldn’t exist if the Switch hadn’t laid the groundwork for it. I’d much rather see Nintendo take a big swing, like integrating AR or VR, into a less powerful system than see them push out a next gen Switch every 5 years. Hopefully there’s more to the Switch 2 than just a hardware upgrade, or else Nintendo (and maybe even consoles in general) might be in trouble.
I think you’re forgetting the Nintendo DS family.
One of them was literally just named “New Nintendo 3DS”.
Fair enough, I didn’t realize how much repetition there was in that line, although I would say that the 3DS was a pretty big innovation over the DS. It’s also a testament to their willingness to take big swings that the would go back to the concept of a 3D handheld after the Virtual Boy debacle.
I am surprised it won’t be more of a hardware improvement since the switch was released in 2017 so there has been a whole lot of new hardware to choose from since then. I would imagine there would be bigger improvements in GPU with the better Radeon offerings.
The problem is that Nintendo wants to be the affordable console parents buy for kids, and if the hardware costs $600 then it won’t be that.
I looked at the Switch price last week and it actually went up since release (in Canada anyway).
Why would you think that? Nintendo has consistently had the weakest console hardware for the last 3 generations of consoles. People buy up anything with the Nintendo brand on it, what incentive do they have to make an actually good product? They already removed themselves from competing with Sony and Microsoft in a move great for their business but abysmal for consumers.
I can’t wait to see Nintendo’s new underpowered console. I’m sure they won’t completely miss the mark again.
1080p?! We’re living in the future, guys!
I love the Switch form factor, specifically the detachable controllers. I thought it was idiotic when I first saw the commercials but I love it. I don’t care about AAA graphics on a portable, it is a little baby screen anyway. Cel shading, let’s go, IDGAF.
Unfortunately they are making shitty Zeldas now so I’ll probably not buy this one. If someone makes decent Linux hardware with detachable controllers I’d consider that.
Have you tried the new Zelda games.
Yes, BotW. Extremely dull. I want my hookshot back. It would be nice to have larger, more challenging dungeons with unique bosses instead of solving a few puzzles and then beating the shit out of roughly the exact same ghost. Most the quests are “get me 10 items” fetch quests. How much wood did I collect to build that town? That’s not fun. Majority of the content is wandering through scenery with nothing in it, or climbing for several minutes at a time.
I loved BoTW and ToTK, but your criticisms are pretty much on point. I’m hoping a future game can combine the sense of exploration of the newer games with the traditional dungeons and bosses of the older games, with Majora’s Mask level side quests please!
Faire enough. Judging by the reception most do like them though.
Botw and totk are my favorite games of all time!!!
Did you like Skyrim?
I didn’t play it. I like the memes tho.
Isn’t that more of a leveling RPG? If I got progressively stronger in BotW instead of just picking up slightly larger weapons I might like it more.
Another problem are that there are like, what, 7 kinds of enemies? Every encampment a small flock of keese, some bokoblins, some lizalfos, a moblin or two. Every situation I just use the same swords and arrows. Surely Skyrim has more varied enemies? If Nintendo are trying to make an expansive game they should put content in it.
Botw and sequel are critically acclaimed across the board.
Even the soundtrack is not up to par. It’s just a dull game.
I’m sure you and the five other people who agree with you can have a riveting conversation about how wrong the millions of fans are.
We are having a pretty good time in the comments. Maybe you could go hang out with the other people who like dull games instead of being upset here.
Get an Steam Deck lol
I wish Steam actually sold those in the real world. I only hear about them on the internet from Americans. I’ve never seen one in real life. It would be really cool if they were real.
Screen size plays a role
Even if you can put an 8k screen in your 15cm profile. There isn’t any reason to do it
If that’s how the console turns out then I expect them to make up that difference in the cost. I’ll be happy with a modest console as long as it has full backwards compatible and it’s not priced at the steam deck
I too like to buy my hardware solely based on a spec sheet.
Considering all of the PC handhelds being released, 1080p is the best you can really do on a handheld screen with modernish games. Steam Deck is the most successful and it is only 800p. Having a 1440 or 2160 screen would decimate battery with little to no benefit.
That’s my point. Nintendo only about to have a 1080p screen does not seem like as big of a selling point as it would have been say, 7 years ago.
Honestly, i wouldn’t have expect anything different. Any lack of back-compatibility would have been a suicide move.
In this thread: completely out of touch gamers shitting on the world’s second best selling console of all time.
I thought you were exaggerating, and then I scrolled down.
In this context “gamers” means “chronically online gamers”. the 3% of people they actually complain about this kind of stuff that would not change anyway
Probably why they’re going after the emulators. Sounds like this thing is still well within reach of emulation, probably in the first couple of months of release.
I think up until the 3DS, console hardware was still somewhat specialised, to the point where you can’t 100% accurately emulate old cobsoles. But at the level we currently are, consoles a little more than all-purpose computers. Emulating then is only down to having enough computational power.
A lot of old consoles are actually based on standard CPUs for the most part. Look at the history of the 6502 for example. Emulating the hardware can be done if time is taken to reverse engineer all the layers into an emulator.
Part of the issue, to me, can be if all the work is done and then copyright disputes arise- all work has to be removed from the public.
At this point you can write the circuitry in SPICE and the chips in Verilog and simulate the whole old console clock by clock down to the transistor level and still get a playable game out of it
Of course this is only viable until say… before the 3D era or so
great emulation device
Interesting, so in between lawsuits and takedowns they still do game related stuff from time to time huh?
One thing is certain,
due to all those lawsuits and takedowns,
I won’t be buying into their next console,
they won’t get a single dime from me anymore.But who will buy their $70 Wii U/Wii ports? :p
What have they done recently that made you decide not to buy from them, that they haven’t already been doing for 30+ years to begin with? Nintendo’s lawsuits against emulator devs aren’t a new phenomenon; they’ve been shutting down emulator/ROM projects since the 90s.
They might have been doing it for longer then I’ve been aware of.
But this is a (small) list of things that caught my attention and made me despise them:
- Garry’s Mod takedowns
- Yuzu + Citra takedowns
- Relic Castle takedown
- Palworld Mod takedowns
- BOTW Mod takedowns
- PointCrow DMCAs
- Gary Bowser’s life ruined
Nintendo consoles are great for piracy if that’s your bag
Man, nintendo just needs to stop. Ugh. “Heres our NEW underperforming console! Get ready to play severely inferior ports of popular 3rd party games, everyone! We’ve ensured that only nintendo games will run well on our new console and nothing else because we dont actually want these vastly superior games from 3rd parties to outclass our nintendo developed games!”. Why is it so hard for them to actually release something that’s is on equal grounds with everything else? They spending all their coin on their precious dmcas or something? Also, fuck nintendo. Fuck them, fuck their inferior hardware and fuck their severe hatred of the fans. Seriously, I’m noticing a trend here. Either you are forced to play their games, which really aren’t THAT great and mostly weird, or you’re forced to play other 3rd party games, select ones at that, with severely inferior standards. It’s like they’re trying to discourage any quality games out there from playing on their hardware on purpose, because it’s nintendo games or the highway, and that fits their aggressively anticonsumer mindset too.
If you’re buying a Nintendo console for 3rd party games you’re going about it all wrong tbh
Yeah, that’s true. I just think it’s bullshit how anti consumer they are. Sure, you’re right, but also like really, Nintendo?
I agree completely, especially under the video game preservation viewpoint.
I lost a few DSi games when the store shut down so I only bought switch cartridges. However I haven’t touched it since I got a Steam Deck because I know those games will last
Nintendo is too Japanese
The switch is the 3rd best selling console ever. They are clearly doing something right. You’re comparing a portable handheld to PCs and plug-in consoles.
I’m pleased that’s it’s underpowered because it ensures their games perform well on emulators.
If a Nintendo console was comparable to other consoles in the same generation, would the games be more fun?
If not, then what’s the point? Many SNES games are more fun than the vast majority of technically superior games out this year.
“They should make the graphics better so… that… the graphics would be better” isn’t a super compelling argument.
My question is “what’s going to make me stop playing my games on the Switch and play them on this instead”.
My concern is that this is going to end up causing library fragmentation like the WiiU and the New 3DS. The Game Boy Color added color to its predecessor, the New 3DS added… slightly faster polygon calculations? I don’t even know. Some games required the better processor but I couldn’t tell you what they did with it. Maybe they just got away with worse optimization.I agree with this mostly, but at the same time more powerful hardware lets the devs experiment with more advanced mechanics. For example, ToTK runs pretty hard into switch limitations with its impressive physics. If Nintendo wanted to take that engine even further, they’d likely need a hardware upgrade.
Additionally, more powerful hardware starts putting more demanding mechanics into the realm of possibility for an indie dev team that has neither the time nor the resources to optimize their games at the same level as a big studio.
Idk, I’m not saying I care about graphics specifically, just that equal hardware would allow more 3rd party games to utilize it. The thing that is stopping people from enjoying those games on other consoles is money. People don’t want to buy multiple systems. All I’m saying is I think nintendo should make decent hardware so that users can play the 3rd party games they want on their Nintendo system instead of buying at minimum another console.
Buying games on other platforms is so much cheaper that there’s already no reason to buy them on Switch. Games that are $4 on Steam and included with Gamepass/PS+ are $35 on Switch.
Nintendo systems are for Nintendo games.
Equal hardware wouldn’t be portable though.
Ehhh, they could take a few things from the steam deck. If nintendo really wanted to, they could definitely make a portable system with equal hardware.
Equal to the PS5? No. Equal to the Steam deck? Yeah I guess.
Switch going to be conservative, meanwhile the deck clones are going all out. Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.
Honestly I’ll “take” a low power switch 2 with the expectation of eventually emulating it with enhancements.
Kind of tangential, but can you do local multiplayer when emulating the switch on a steam deck. Like can you have a 4 player Mario kart game?
Sure. Just need to use some external controllers obviously.
It probably won’t work to do local multiplayer with multiple consoles easily.
Ryujinx has an LDN build for that.
I don’t see why you couldn’t. Just connect multiple controllers and configure accordingly.
I regularly emulate Switch games on my RoG Ally Z1E, and it pulls it off so fucking well, I haven’t touched my Switch since I got the thing (it easily runs every title I’ve thrown at it at 60fps+higher res, plus I have the ability to mod games if I need to.)
I can’t imagine it’ll be too difficult for them to emulate Switch 2 games, assuming Nintendo don’t catch on to emulation developers too early.
They will probably use some version of DLSS that’s hard to emulate.
Then we just disable it, and run the DLSS natively.
Emulators will just run at higher resolutions instead of blurry upscaling anyway.
Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.
Well, considering Nintendo is on a war path and legally threatening emulator devs, I doubt anyone will even attempt a Switch 2 emulator.
Would be hard going after devs that don’t blatantly make money off it like Yuzu did. Would also be pretty hard going after anonymous devs not using US based version control or just private. Lot of countries don’t care about DMCA either. Yuzu was just very stupid but Nintendo in the worst case isn’t all powerful either.
Cemu doesn’t seem to have a problem with profitability. The litigation was about circumvention of encryption and blatant piracy advocation.
You underestimate how masochistic Nintendo fans are.
They will be working, Ninjas be damned.
Yuzu is still going. Shit got forked thousands of times the whole week leading up to the takedown. If the Nintendorks think that shit is dead, they have missed the entire point of open source.
They just made working on Yuzu more annoying, even discord was taking stuff down. But it’s not like discord alternatives like matrix don’t exist. Version control even more so.
I forked it on GitHub, GitLab, two private git servers, and Google Drive lmao. Shit isn’t going anywhere.
I’d put everything I own and my literal life betting someone will make one. It’s happened for literally everything else, the switch 2 won’t be different.
