I became friends with a couple of people and I meet with them often. They like me as well but my brain tries to convince me they hate me. I was severly bullied, ostracized and neglected by my peers at school from elementary school to college and it caused me to have a hard time trusting anyone and gave me terrible self esteem. But I didn’t know that it would be this bad. It sucks having the time of your life and returning home just trying to shut off your brain because you don’t want to deal with the intrusive thoughts. But it doesn’t work, the next day the thoughts come back and make me feel terrible. I almost don’t want to announce that I’m coming for our next meeting because somehow I feel like a burden, even though I was literally personally invited by one of my friends.
Does anybody else deal with this? How do you deal with it?
I definitely have the same problem, and no IDK how to deal with it.
Those thoughts are just your feelings trying to bring their concerns to light. If someone you cared about came to you feeling this way, would you join in on their concerns, stirring the pot with what-ifs and all that? Or would you want to reassure them? Support them? Give them advice?
What if you gave support to those feelings you experience, not in a way that gives them credence, but treating them like someone vulnerable that doesn’t have the ability to reason that much for themselves? Like a young child or a pet. They don’t necessarily know that there’s nothing to worry about, they just react to things that scare them. Your feelings are the same way.
If you trust these people, being open to them may be another way to start that dialogue, but that can be a bit tough. I do recommend trying to start that kind of dialogue with yourself. You can first ask yourself, what’s so bad about being a “burden” to other people? Would the things you do be a burden to you if it came from someone else? Can you trust these friends to let you in the way you’ve let them in?
I never considered the possibility that they don’t actually hate me, so I stop hanging out with them. I got pretty good at burning bridges…
I can feel that kind of way sometimes, though I don’t think all that intensely in my case. This is one of those things where I could probably do with taking my own advice, but my thought would be: bring it up to them (preferably in person, so you can make it clear what’s going on). And by bring it up, I don’t mean tell them how you think they feel. I mean more like saying, “Hey, due to past bullying, sometimes I end up feeling insecure about our relationship in spite of you inviting me along and all.”
It could be that affirming words mean more to you than for some people as well. In which case, you could consider taking it a step further, “I consider you a friend and if you consider me one too, having it affirmed in words sometimes would mean a lot to me. I think it would help ground me.”
Whether insecure or not, it may help to remember that people express affection in different ways and value it in different ways, so working toward a consciousness of that in a relationship (if not there already) may help for getting your needs met and ensuring you both feel valued. I recall someone online who expressed that they tend to swap insults with others when they’re most comfortable. Would never have occurred to me because for me, even friendly insults is never something I’m really comfortable with. The point here just being that people can have all sorts of ideas of what a secure relationship or bond looks like. Doesn’t mean you have to accommodate someone whose idea of it is very different from yours. The idea is just to make it conscious and out in the open, where possible and safe to do so, so that it loses some of that trauma-induced reactive power over you.
Basically, we all need love and affection, and the trauma response may get in the way of taking implicit expressions of affection at face value, so you may need explicit expressions of affection more than some others do. But either way, it’s normal to want communication lines to be clear and needs to be met.
I grew up in a regressive area. I would say I was treated shitty at home and felt terrible at school. The school I was very hostile in terms of all the bullying. I got bullied and shunned. But I was also a mean bully myself. As time went on I kind of gotten more reserved and less talkative. I got more bullied later on. But I don’t know, a bunch of different things had a cumulative effect on me. I became all sorts of broken at this point. I did manage to have friends.
For me I go through spells where I completely isolate myself and not talk to anyone for a long time. I would feel like I am a burden and that people will be feeling better If I don’t talk to them. I would call someone and feel that they avoiding me. But I’m blunt I will just message them to know. They will usually tell me and clear my anxiety.
Again I get out of that cycle and start calling people or meeting people.
I would feel great but suddenly I would get real angry and then be crying. For me I can tell you bunch of things as I myself go through these intrusive thoughts. First off don’t give credence to those thoughts. When you get em move fastly to do something else. If you can’t ward them off, then get clarification. For starters I call my friends and sometimes lose track of time. I would feel like they just wanna cut the call. I will just ask if I’m taking too much of their time. They will usually tell me no I’m not. If they do have work or something they will move on. Same with meeting up. I would feel uninvited. But someone affirming the invitation feels good. Just be frank and tell them how you feel.
I have low self esteem but also I don’t feel anything much about that. I’m ambivalent on it. But my friends or family try to be more nicer about that. But then I also don’t feel anything huge if someone thinks in one way or the other about me. I just shrug all that and occupy with something else. Sometimes I still would get very emotional at someone poking at my self esteem. Whatever I still roll through.
Music helps. I talk to myself a lot. I journal shit to air all the horrible shit I feel as an outlet.
Does anybody else deal with this?
All the time. Same cause.
It hasn’t changed in the ~25 years since I left high school.
I even get it in online communities, in discord servers, in places like this, where we’re all barely acquaintances and there are next to no stakes in people liking you. But at places like work it ruins my life.
If you want to read more on it, I think the medical term for it is “attachment disorders”, and you might also want to look up “insecure adult attachment styles”.
In general I focus more on talking about external affairs that are not meta-social discussion. I have found I will wonder if people are hinting I am being an idiot or something when referencing, for instance how stupid a lot of fitness and diet trends are. In my case the suspicion comes from like, “do they also view me that way?” if that makes sense.