Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux’s “oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don’t worry I’ve prevented it”.
But also it’s really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn’t actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
They are probably referring to distros that for legal reasons don’t include things like Codecs or proprietary drivers and stuff… and then you need to first research how to manually install those, after figuring out that you even need to do that at all…
That’s exactly the issue… you need to properly use it. Most people don’t, and can’t be bothered to when Windows is just pre-installed and mostly doing its job alright…
The one where the library the program needed had to be required from source, and the source had dependencies not in the distro’s repo. Flatpacs might finally be solving this, but for some reason Linux folks still think bundling a few hundred kb of libraries and dependencies with the program is a big nono, so software install is really really hard for anything not in the repo, whereas on Windows it just works.
If you only need Firefox and VLC, Linux is great. If you use a wide variety of programs, expect most to either not work, or only be usable as the Windows version through Wine.
I don’t think you understand how Linux and software work. Windows software doesn’t work on Linux because it depends on other Windows software. Wine tries to supply these missing pieces. Linux isn’t stopping from doing anything.
Yes I do understand how Linux software works. I don’t like it, I’m allowed to understand it and still not like it. What’s with the gatekeeping?
I want my computer to just work I don’t want to have to mess around with it I don’t want to have to try and manage drivers and find versions of drivers that work with a particular operating system I just want to install the program and then use the program.
Windows offers me that. As does Mac accept it comes with a stupidly expensive computer.
Linux is just unnecessary busy work for people who like that kind of thing but I don’t really care about all of that stuff I care about using the programs not the underlying computer stuff. If you like that kind of thing great. But I just want the operating system in my case to get out of the way.
There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
What issues are you talking about. Could you provide one or two examples?
doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported
because linux is currently undergoing a unification of software with flatpaks … so the amount directly supported software is very quickly increasing like nothing before
It’s still a nightmare to install new software.
Almost all distros have graphical software installers now … so i can’t really agree with you, sorry.
Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user function … People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find.
Every desktop main menu has a search function … so finding stuff is as easy as never before.
What an utterly meaningless statement.
I’d say meaningless is the wrong word … i think you wanted to say “obvious” … which i agree. It’s just that some people seem to forget and i got into the habit of reminding them.
Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use.
Still sounds to me like you might be mixing your preconceptions and maybe old experiences
There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use.
I’d say its mostly because of clever marketing and having their stuff pre-installed and the average user not knowing about alternatives … but i wont say that they didn’t learn maintain a reasonable easy to use UI for their systems, especially since the insentive for profit is pretty high.
simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Now this sounds like you havent used any linux distro in a very long time … but maybe i am just misunderstanding you and you are meaning something more specific, which i can’t really make out, sorry.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
Obviously you can do as you like, i just wanted to better understand your perspectiv on this matter. And i think i already have a better understanding but … i think i am still missing some parts.
Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
Which is all irrelevant to original point and doesn’t change how factual my comment is. Should we start replying to comments making any factual point now?
How can you tell if somebody is a Linux user? Because they tell you, immediately, upon meeting them for the first time. Then they tell you you’re a stupid subhuman for using windows.
Yes dude. Windows has the same thing and it would be necessary if someone wanted to install Linux on a Windows machine.
If.
There’s one teensy problem with your statement though.
There is simply ZERO Linux software that the average user would be installing on Windows. Either the software has a windows version or the software is redundant.
Note I said the average user. SysAdmins just don’t matter here. You’re asking average people to move over so you don’t get to use a distinctly above average situation for comparisons sake.
Like I said. Cope. Your operating system sucks, your blind fanaticism is bordering on cult like behavior, and my comment was completely clear. It’s not my fault you have the comprehension skills of a decomposing turtle. There’s a reason it was upvoted, dingus. People agreed because people had the simple capability of reading with their eyes and then using their brain. Shocker. I know.
Also it’s hysterical that you call me a reddit user when your account was made the same time that the third party protests/lemmy migration was happening. Pot is calling the kettle extremely black here. Funnier still when I never had a reddit account but you clearly did. I came from a different forum. Sorry fucko. Wrong on literally all counts. Have fun with that. I’m going to go and do something productive instead of holding the hand of a toddler through a comment everyone else understood.
Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux’s “oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don’t worry I’ve prevented it”.
But also it’s really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn’t actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
Wat??
They are probably referring to distros that for legal reasons don’t include things like Codecs or proprietary drivers and stuff… and then you need to first research how to manually install those, after figuring out that you even need to do that at all…
OP is a silly billy and doesn’t know how to properly use Linux.
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Still I don’t even know what OP is referring to. Did they install an FSF-endorsed distro?
That’s exactly the issue… you need to properly use it. Most people don’t, and can’t be bothered to when Windows is just pre-installed and mostly doing its job alright…
Linux never prevents you from installing anything. What distro was this and what happened? :)
The one where the library the program needed had to be required from source, and the source had dependencies not in the distro’s repo. Flatpacs might finally be solving this, but for some reason Linux folks still think bundling a few hundred kb of libraries and dependencies with the program is a big nono, so software install is really really hard for anything not in the repo, whereas on Windows it just works.
If you only need Firefox and VLC, Linux is great. If you use a wide variety of programs, expect most to either not work, or only be usable as the Windows version through Wine.
Oh look, a person whos never used linux but complains
Ever heard of wine?
Yeah but of course but with Windows I don’t need a third party program to install things onto the OS.
When you actually think about it is bizarre why don’t they just let people install things.
I don’t think you understand how Linux and software work. Windows software doesn’t work on Linux because it depends on other Windows software. Wine tries to supply these missing pieces. Linux isn’t stopping from doing anything.
Yes I do understand how Linux software works. I don’t like it, I’m allowed to understand it and still not like it. What’s with the gatekeeping?
I want my computer to just work I don’t want to have to mess around with it I don’t want to have to try and manage drivers and find versions of drivers that work with a particular operating system I just want to install the program and then use the program.
Windows offers me that. As does Mac accept it comes with a stupidly expensive computer.
Linux is just unnecessary busy work for people who like that kind of thing but I don’t really care about all of that stuff I care about using the programs not the underlying computer stuff. If you like that kind of thing great. But I just want the operating system in my case to get out of the way.
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There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
What issues are you talking about. Could you provide one or two examples?
because linux is currently undergoing a unification of software with flatpaks … so the amount directly supported software is very quickly increasing like nothing before
Almost all distros have graphical software installers now … so i can’t really agree with you, sorry.
Every desktop main menu has a search function … so finding stuff is as easy as never before.
I’d say meaningless is the wrong word … i think you wanted to say “obvious” … which i agree. It’s just that some people seem to forget and i got into the habit of reminding them.
Still sounds to me like you might be mixing your preconceptions and maybe old experiences
I’d say its mostly because of clever marketing and having their stuff pre-installed and the average user not knowing about alternatives … but i wont say that they didn’t learn maintain a reasonable easy to use UI for their systems, especially since the insentive for profit is pretty high.
Now this sounds like you havent used any linux distro in a very long time … but maybe i am just misunderstanding you and you are meaning something more specific, which i can’t really make out, sorry.
Obviously you can do as you like, i just wanted to better understand your perspectiv on this matter. And i think i already have a better understanding but … i think i am still missing some parts.
Thanks for the nice discussion so far.
Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Once again, y’all completely misunderstand.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
Irrelevant. The original point may have been that but the comment I reacted to, and the line I did, was not.
More over, even if I was responding to the original comment, that doesn’t change how factual mine is.
Edit: Your boos mean nothing when I’ve seen the garbage that makes you cheer
Which is all irrelevant to original point and doesn’t change how factual my comment is. Should we start replying to comments making any factual point now?
Linux is veganism for computers.
Veganism for computers.
How can you tell if somebody is a Linux user? Because they tell you, immediately, upon meeting them for the first time. Then they tell you you’re a stupid subhuman for using windows.
It’s great fun.
There’s WSL on windows, I don’t wanna say it’s the same thing as wine, but yeah, you may need other programs to install linux software on windows.
Holy shit are you being disingenuous.
Yes dude. Windows has the same thing and it would be necessary if someone wanted to install Linux on a Windows machine.
If.
There’s one teensy problem with your statement though.
There is simply ZERO Linux software that the average user would be installing on Windows. Either the software has a windows version or the software is redundant.
Note I said the average user. SysAdmins just don’t matter here. You’re asking average people to move over so you don’t get to use a distinctly above average situation for comparisons sake.
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Incredible. Bitches about being misunderstood while wildly misunderstanding a comment.
Utterly incapable of doing one thing in a straight line.
Linux user confirmed.
Take your own advice.
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Like I said. Cope. Your operating system sucks, your blind fanaticism is bordering on cult like behavior, and my comment was completely clear. It’s not my fault you have the comprehension skills of a decomposing turtle. There’s a reason it was upvoted, dingus. People agreed because people had the simple capability of reading with their eyes and then using their brain. Shocker. I know.
Also it’s hysterical that you call me a reddit user when your account was made the same time that the third party protests/lemmy migration was happening. Pot is calling the kettle extremely black here. Funnier still when I never had a reddit account but you clearly did. I came from a different forum. Sorry fucko. Wrong on literally all counts. Have fun with that. I’m going to go and do something productive instead of holding the hand of a toddler through a comment everyone else understood.
Bye bye. I’ve already forgotten you existed.
Nearly fell off my chair laughing at that one
Must be an inner ear thing because I recently installed W11 on a new rig and everything has worked and been smooth so far.
And I paid for the license, have at me knave.