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Lol that’s what I did after getting my new Windows laptop. Sad it’s blocked.
…aaaand I will never switch to Windows 11.
But then, I’m a hypocrite, because I have to create an account to use Android.
because I have to create an account to use Android…
You don’t. Look into degoogled ROMs, MicroG, Aurora store, and f-droid.
Oh sure, sure. My point is that Google asked for the same thing as MS, and I mindlessly gave it to them.
I’ll look into degoogling at some point.
Forced accounts are evil - including Android. Here’s my Android story:
When I got my first Android phone, my intention was to not have an account - or at least have as much isolation between any account and my actual usage as possible. So I decline account creation when I first started using the phone, and told the phone to only store all contacts locally. That worked, and I was pretty happy with it. But later, I wanted to download a couple of basic apps from the app store - and that required an account. So I created a bogus account to download the apps. …
After creating the account to download stuff, I noticed that the contacts had automatically associated themselves with that new account had automatically uploaded all my contacts and personal info to google to sync with this account. This is precisely the thing I was trying to avoid in the first place. So, I immediately logged into that account via google’s website and told it to not store any contact info, and to delete all existing info. Which it did.
But then some time later… the account again decided to sync with my phone - this time to delete all the contacts from my phone (presumably because I’d deleted them from the online account). So although I’d gone to some deliberate lengths to tell my phone to only store data locally and to not upload it, what i ended up with was all personal data uploaded, and then purged from my phone. I had to try to restore my contacts from an ancient sim-card backup from my old phone.
Since then, I’ve decided that I will not use a google account for my phone for any reason, ever. I’ve use F-droid and the Aurora store instead. (But actually I very rarely use any apps anyway.)
On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don’t start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10
Type in
oobe\bypassnro
And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you’ll have a like that says “I don’t have internet”.
Isn’t this getting blocked in 24H2?
Or just don’t use Windows
If all games start supporting Linux I will.
Apart from a few outliers, gaming is painless on Linux thanks to Valves Proton & friends.
Always online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0
If only that option were realistic
How is it not? I went from a diehard Windows power user to someone who hasn’t looked back since 2019
Well done mate! You are not alone!
It’s not a simple one to one. Everyone’s use case and experience is different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on the FOSS train and I don’t approve of Microsoft’s direction with Windows but it’s still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don’t wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.
If I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.
Will need more info then I can recommend some software
Try emailing manufacturers and asking if they already have support, if they dont request that they start or you won’t consider their parts for your next build. Your wallet is a powerful tool that can cause companies to bend to your will if you know how to use it.
OOBE\BYPASSNRO and fuck Microsoft
That no longer works sadly
Unless I missed something, the article states as follows
Another method of bypassing the account lockdown still exists. You simply have to enter OOBE\BYPASSNRO in the command prompt during the Windows 11 setup process, which allows you to skip the connection to the Internet and thus also the link to a Microsoft account.
Tried that a few months ago with a factory new machine and it did not work. Though it might work on Pro machines
I had to refresh a pc with Windows 11 recently (unfortunately) and I can confirm it works, but I found it only works on a completely clean install, and you have to run the command IMMEDIATELY when starting setup. I had to re-install twice, because the first time I connected to Wi-Fi, and even running the command and disabling wifi, it still demanded an account. I had to wipe the drive an install a second time, then run the command right at the start of the setup process, before doing anything. THEN it let me skip connecting to internet and logging into an account.
That’s interesting! I wonder if they are locking down factory installations.
About a month ago I was able to do it with a fresh install of Pro in a VM, I’ll do a quick test and see if it works on Home…and it works too. I had to disconnect the network and then run the
OOBE\BYPASSNROcommand, it rebooted and gave me the continue without network and limited setup options.That’s super weird, but disconnecting the network is the only way that you can reliably setup the machine without an account in my experience
You just need quotes on it, ms fucked up the directory traversal “oobe/bypassnro.cmd” worked for me setting up a user machine yesterday
Of course they did, urg
Just burn the ISO to a USB drive with Rufus, a window full of options with check boxes will pop up, with a lot of options to turn installation bullshit.
I’ve heard you can use a cheap local RADIUS server to establish a local domain. Anyone attempt this?
Having to do the meta-workaround of running another computer to make your computer usable is just…don’t get me wrong, I love running infrastructure, but that seems like it should be unnecessary just to use a computer.
Not Radius,Samba. But yes. In theory the Samba server can even run on a VM on the same PC(but that makes it really messy). Raspi or similar is far easier.
Univention offers a ready made distro for that,but not for ARM, though.
#RUNBSD it is then
Back in the day, using Windows was essentially a long series of fucking around with configurations and trying different workarounds to get things to “go”. The actual using of the computer was, in a way, secondary.
Nothing has changed. Many many years ago I bought a used Apple to try it out and was just - astounded at how little I needed to mess with things to get them to do what I wanted. It was all in settings. That’s it.
Watching Microsoft leap headfirst into full evil is just like watching the seasons change.
So you’ve obviously never had to use
defaults write com.apple.stupidpreference.fix bool trueApple has a lot less nonsense than Microsoft, but the amount of nonsense is greater than zero. What’s really annoying (on their mobile platform specifically) is when certain problems occur on iOS that would have been completely solvable on MacOS with a command line tool, but you have to erase the phone because Apple doesn’t give you access to the OS.
MacOS is already deprecating the Keychain access tool, which will obfuscate more of the OS security from the user and make it more iOS-like in trying to fix failures.
Apple is enshittifying in absence of Jobs, they’re just behind Microsoft by one or two decades.
Mm hmm.
Previously the fucking around was drivers, HAL, compatibility etc. now it’s a goddamn delousing
The amount of time I’ve spent getting my MacOS to not be annoying… it’s such a shit experience compared to Gnome/Linux. Every single day I use MacOS, I find a new annoying inconsistency, or either poor or directly bad UX design decision or implementation.
Next time I look for a place to work, I’d consider Windows or MacOS to require at least 30% higher salary to be worth the annoyance.
And y’all say that linux users don’t value their time… smh
In them days Linux was even more about messing around with configurations and finding workarounds. It came on floppies, and as it loaded it made these kind of grinding, farting sounds. We would install it with an onion tied to our belt - which was the style at the time.
xorg.confusion
Hahaha! I’ve been dabbling in live USB thumbdrive copies of various flavors of Linux to see which one I want to go to for a while. Did a few years back and thought, “you know, my time is worth something to me, maybe I’ll give Windows a go, 10 seems pretty stable.”
Booted up Debian Cinnamon, couldn’t get two-finger right click to work on the Synaptics config out of box, it had a few arbitrary prefs for whatever the devs decided people would probably use. Tried Debian Gnome. It had trackpad settings that were more in line with what I expected… Not giving up, but it did make me pause, because I know one can reconfigure the trackpad driver under the hood, but did I really want to jump down the rabbit hole of bespoke shellscripts again just so my audio driver correctly wakes from sleep (if it can even successfully sleep)?
Other funny to figure out, the computer has iGPU and dGPU, both were active and the battery life was maybe 2 hours. Another thing to figure out with bespoke configurations.
So it’s like, Windows and Linux (and lesser, MacOS) pain is definitely there, it is just kinda what kind of pain do you want to subscribe to? Linux pain will probably only occur during initial setup and maybe every few years when a major OS release comes out. MacOS pain is even more rare, unless a major OS release comes out with something you don’t like and you have to find where in the OS frameworks the feature is to disable it, if they have hooks in which to do. Windows pain is…every Tuesday.
“Oh here’s a new lock screen weather widget”
“Oh cool, I can get on board with that!”
Next week:
“Oh, here’s a new stocks and news widget to go along with the weather.”
“Hold on there buddy, I didn’t sign up for the first and you’ve pushed two more? Time to shut those two off. Oh, it’s all or nothing, thanks! Nothing it is.”
“Don’t worry, we’ll reinstall Dev Home next week and flag it a system app so you can’t uninstall it, and then we’ll force Copilot to be present, and then we’re going to screw with the start menu, and then we’re going to delete WordPad, and reinstall all those Office/cloud 365 shim apps and and and.” That was like, last month.
Shift+F10
oobe\bypassnro
Do people avoid Chromebooks for the same reason?
Just had enough of all of this…deleted windows 11 on my 2 computers at home…pop_os it is. 😀
You can still easily bypass it with other methods, like unplugging your ethernet cable. Even if you don’t have an ethernet cable you can unplug, the WiFi screen has an “I don’t have internet” button on Windows 11 Pro and above. Not sure about Home, but there are other alternative ways. It’s still really shitty they keep trying to force this on people.
I love how there is an entire group of people who think it’s perfectly normal to “fight” the company that makes the OS they use.
(This message brought to you by the Linux gang.)
hey, windows users… your OS actively hates you!
that is all.
Pretty sure most windows users hate their OS right back.
My mom actually said my windows mac the other day…
I doubt most Windows users care enough to hate it.
In my company, people were shocked at the hint I might change their Windows to Linux on a whim. They’re all so attached to Windows.
And I was joking!
Ubuntu users fight Canonical all the time too.
well, perhaps. but there are a plethora of escape routes if/when it gets too bad for them.
As soon as I started doing that, I hopped distros.
Exactly, as lest when your distro starts doing things you don’t like, another can easily take its place in your set up.
If people didn’t do this it would happen faster. Not everyone has the luxury of immediately switching, just like the “move to another state” argument
Yeah but on the other hand you also have to wrestle with Linux a lot, and personally usually a lot more time wise. It’s all tradeoffs and what people care more about.
At least Linux isn’t trying to milk you for its own gain.
true, but you’re not fighting malice or greed, you’re fighting laziness and arrogance. diffeeent vibe.
This is a common misconception. You didn’t come out of the womb knowing how to use Android, iOS or Windows. To that same capacity you didn’t come out knowing how to use Linux either. It has the same learning curve any other OS would. It’s a sunk cost fallacy.
To some extent that is true. But on the other hand, Windows is both usually easier to learn (has a UI for 99% of stuff, basic design principles dictate that it’s much easier to remember what to click on than what to type), and it just works. I rarely have to interact with the OS in any way to get something to work. I’ve tried multiple times to switch to Linux, but it just has so much stuff that doesn’t work out of the box, or at all. Da Vinci Resolve has a native version which is completely broken, Dota 2 has a native version but doesn’t pre compile shaders, so whenever e.g. I open a new hero in the hero list it lags for 1-2s, many games with anti cheat don’t work, good luck with anything in VR, no popular distro that I’ve seen has a clipboard and the ones I found online are just worse than the Windows one, etc.
I want to switch, I really do, but I’m already a power user on Windows, I would have to learn a lot to be on the same level on Linux, add onto that the fact that a lot of stuf that’s important to me just doesn’t work properly on Linux, it just doesn’t make sense for me, and for most people they’re gonna be a lot less willing to switch. Most people will not bother trying to change something, even if it’s objectively better. Most people just want to stick with what already works for them, and until Linux is able to just work with no need for user intervention, especially through terminals which people fear, it’s still a long way from mainstream adoption.
I’m not entirely certain about that. For instance, on Linux I always have to look up how to create symlinks even though I’ve been using the OS exclusively for three years. On Windows, it is: Right click -> Create shortcut. It’s easier for most people to remember a 2 action process than a console command with multiple options and specific syntax. But of course, this is only one example and doesn’t apply to everything. For instance, I have absolutely no trouble remembering mkdir, cp, or rm. I think it’s a bit of a mixed bag.
I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.
That would still require you to create an account, which is the part of the process people object to.
Use shift f10 and edit the registry… They aren’t disabling that until they have a better solution for autopilot.
May not work for home editions…
Tried that on the last install i had to do. Doesnt always anymore. Task manager was hidden by the setup a few times when i did that :(
I ended up using rufus to patch ios pre-extraction hehe :)
Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or…? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but… yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.
I suppose it’s more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it’s time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.
Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.
In games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.
Not if a game runs with EAC. I’m aware there IS a variant of EAC for Linux, but quite a few games I got and enjoy won’t boot up on Linux because they won’t implement the EAC variant for it.
A game I play often also has EAC but it worked on linux even on launch day using steam play and proton.
I envy that. Tell BandaiNamco and DIMPS to get with the fuckin times already.
I’m sure enterprise editions have to allow it in some capacity. There will always be businesses that will use Windows on machines not exposed to the Internet.
With that said, this is some BS. And MS I don’t want to hear the argument that smartphone vendors do it. They shouldn’t acquire an account either.
Microsoft would like to introduce you to EntraID.
That’s the enterprise version of this.
FreeWin
ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready
Almost 30 years and still basically useless.
The year of the ReactOS desktop?
On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn’t have this requirement.
The IoT LTSC does not have this requirement. Or a USB made in Rufus can have it disabled.
