• commiecapybara [he/him, e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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    Exactly. So you agree that it’s impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc.

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      or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc.

      Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company’s profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor.

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      I don’t believe workers are exploited. I sell my labor and I can sell it whoever I want for whatever price I want.

      I’m not exploited at all. In communism I’d Be forced to accept what they think is fair. That’s exploitation.

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        If I don’t take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me

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          You should work on your skills then. I can offer my skills to multiple places and who offers me the best package I take.

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            So you are saying that as black people on average don’t earn as much as white people they just aren’t as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state.

      • rogrodre [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        When you’re old enough to work you’ll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you’ll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation.