"Matrix" (a government connected federated messaging protocol, similar to discord in many ways)... is grappling with an overwhelming problem, where a substan...
It’s kinda strange, the guy reached a conclusion that the service is legit hard to control and take down by any government, but was insisting on: BUT… BUT… BUT… trying to stress the negatives points, which by the way, they’re way more apparent on other Big tech Platforms, specifically : Discord…
If you have a centralized server and that server straight out refuses to take measures against abuse ( I’m just gonna say abuse in general and that includes all things: Child abuse, Ra*e, addictive drugs…etc )
if you as a user notice these things and after you report them nothing happens… Then what ? Wait until a big news outlet notice, then they publish it on their website, and after a week or so, you’ll watch the CEO walk away from court like nothing happened…
On Matrix, as a user, I can spin up my own server, make my own rules, and make sure stuff like this ( abuse ) doesn’t happen, the point here is that you can’t blame Element Team or Matrix Team for what happens on this system, they just make the software and people deploy it
the only thing left to blame is human nature afterwards?
Which brings me to an important question, who is his source ? they must have great control over the network to realize that Matrix ( a huge decentralized network with many servers is a pit of abuse ) !!!
without a source ? without knowing how they knew what they claimed ? this video is just a conspiracy theory in my view… And having ties to the French government isn’t necessarily a bad thing… ( knowing that the French government spied on it’s citizens, yes )
I have been using Matrix for years, and never encountered a single instance of abuse… trolls yeah… Hentai…yeah … but no shady stuff… It’s mostly nerds talking about Computers, Linux and Anime
I encounter it literally every single day and I know many others that do too. You’re just not in the right (wrong) rooms. The ones that happen to get left unmoderated are always taken over by bad actors, not even talking about the ones (like mentioned in the video) that were deliberately setup to harbor vile content, which is also plentiful unfortunately.
The UI is designed in such a way that it doesn’t expose the user to outside servers ( by default you’re on Matrix.org ) even when you press the discover button you’ll see rooms from the same server.
the only way for an average user to get exposed to such rooms is by being invited to them by strangers or Bots ( so maybe there should be a way to disable community invites, especially Bot invites )
Or maybe your client didn’t put much thought into the user journey and let you discover everything, even abstract/shady servers
Don’t take this the wrong way, but do you lurk on Matrix everyday ? I’m not on the right ( wrong ) rooms because I only take what I need from any service, the Internet can be depressing, so my advice is to be careful
the only way for an average user to get exposed to such rooms
But there is a growing dissent for matrix.org itself as a homeserver for various reasons, and many people/blogs/posts/etc. online will try to steer users towards alternative “privacy-respecting” or “free-speech/anti-censorship” (aka allowing illegal content) servers, many of which of course host terrible content, so I think more and more people are getting exposed to it and realizing how bad of a problem it is.
i see, I think that’s a problem of who is recommending the servers to people, I always go with one of the servers that are on the matrix.org website ( these has strict moderators and are under active development ), I can certainly go with another list of abstract/shady unknown servers but that’s a recipe for disaster…
Btw, I’m not denying that there is terrible content on some of these servers/rooms, but I’m saying it’s a byproduct of the system architecture, Element/Matrix can implement more safety settings that’s for sure
that being said the worse footage I saw in my entire life was on Facebook, and it was completely allowed, which tells you something about the platform and how little to no control you have to change it’s direction.
I think that’s a problem of who is recommending the servers to people
I don’t think that is true at all, for several reasons:
matrix.org actually has tons of terrible users itself, and many channels even ban or strongly discourage even having users from that server, plus it’s usually the slowest.
a great many channels on matrix.org are unmoderated and already host CSAM and abusive/illegal content
because of how federation works, anyone who is on matrix.org and happens to join a “bad” channel even on another server, now forces matrix.org to always keep a copy of that channel and all of its content forever.
Facebook
Including Cloudflare, who for some reason banned kiwifarms yet continues to allow sites like 8chan and others who are also hosting CSAM/zoosadist/other vile content.
Wtf ? I use it semi often and have never enxouterd it either. That seems a little off ? You make it sound like.its all over the place like with Discord.
It’s kinda strange, the guy reached a conclusion that the service is legit hard to control and take down by any government, but was insisting on: BUT… BUT… BUT… trying to stress the negatives points, which by the way, they’re way more apparent on other Big tech Platforms, specifically : Discord…
If you have a centralized server and that server straight out refuses to take measures against abuse ( I’m just gonna say abuse in general and that includes all things: Child abuse, Ra*e, addictive drugs…etc )
if you as a user notice these things and after you report them nothing happens… Then what ? Wait until a big news outlet notice, then they publish it on their website, and after a week or so, you’ll watch the CEO walk away from court like nothing happened…
On Matrix, as a user, I can spin up my own server, make my own rules, and make sure stuff like this ( abuse ) doesn’t happen, the point here is that you can’t blame Element Team or Matrix Team for what happens on this system, they just make the software and people deploy it
the only thing left to blame is human nature afterwards?
Which brings me to an important question, who is his source ? they must have great control over the network to realize that Matrix ( a huge decentralized network with many servers is a pit of abuse ) !!!
without a source ? without knowing how they knew what they claimed ? this video is just a conspiracy theory in my view… And having ties to the French government isn’t necessarily a bad thing… ( knowing that the French government spied on it’s citizens, yes )
I have been using Matrix for years, and never encountered a single instance of abuse… trolls yeah… Hentai…yeah … but no shady stuff… It’s mostly nerds talking about Computers, Linux and Anime
I encounter it literally every single day and I know many others that do too. You’re just not in the right (wrong) rooms. The ones that happen to get left unmoderated are always taken over by bad actors, not even talking about the ones (like mentioned in the video) that were deliberately setup to harbor vile content, which is also plentiful unfortunately.
The UI is designed in such a way that it doesn’t expose the user to outside servers ( by default you’re on Matrix.org ) even when you press the discover button you’ll see rooms from the same server.
the only way for an average user to get exposed to such rooms is by being invited to them by strangers or Bots ( so maybe there should be a way to disable community invites, especially Bot invites )
Or maybe your client didn’t put much thought into the user journey and let you discover everything, even abstract/shady servers
Don’t take this the wrong way, but do you lurk on Matrix everyday ? I’m not on the right ( wrong ) rooms because I only take what I need from any service, the Internet can be depressing, so my advice is to be careful
But there is a growing dissent for matrix.org itself as a homeserver for various reasons, and many people/blogs/posts/etc. online will try to steer users towards alternative “privacy-respecting” or “free-speech/anti-censorship” (aka allowing illegal content) servers, many of which of course host terrible content, so I think more and more people are getting exposed to it and realizing how bad of a problem it is.
i see, I think that’s a problem of who is recommending the servers to people, I always go with one of the servers that are on the matrix.org website ( these has strict moderators and are under active development ), I can certainly go with another list of abstract/shady unknown servers but that’s a recipe for disaster…
Btw, I’m not denying that there is terrible content on some of these servers/rooms, but I’m saying it’s a byproduct of the system architecture, Element/Matrix can implement more safety settings that’s for sure
that being said the worse footage I saw in my entire life was on Facebook, and it was completely allowed, which tells you something about the platform and how little to no control you have to change it’s direction.
I don’t think that is true at all, for several reasons:
matrix.org actually has tons of terrible users itself, and many channels even ban or strongly discourage even having users from that server, plus it’s usually the slowest.
a great many channels on matrix.org are unmoderated and already host CSAM and abusive/illegal content
because of how federation works, anyone who is on matrix.org and happens to join a “bad” channel even on another server, now forces matrix.org to always keep a copy of that channel and all of its content forever.
Including Cloudflare, who for some reason banned kiwifarms yet continues to allow sites like 8chan and others who are also hosting CSAM/zoosadist/other vile content.
Wtf ? I use it semi often and have never enxouterd it either. That seems a little off ? You make it sound like.its all over the place like with Discord.
It IS all over the place. Did you not watch the video?