I don’t feel George Monbiot put his case well. If we take Australia as the example, without the incremental changes we’ve individually already made its hard to believe that the bigger things we are actually doing now would be as uncontroversial as they are.

I don’t agree, your argument is there “is bigger things we’re doing now”. I don’t agree with that premises at all, we’re not doing bigger things… at all. What were doing is green washing within the orthodox neo liberal order. Which I think is George’s point.

Aa an example , aircraft bookings have increased some 20% from last year, we need aircraft bookings to be zero. We need private cars being banned, we’ll need the removal of national boundaries or suffer the rise in violence and subsequent enviomental damage that’s caused as billions flee the tropical zone. They will flee becase they must.

Another example, The Olympics should be banned and yet we’re inviting 10s of thousands of people to Australia in 2034. What we’re doing it banning straws at the events and putting a recycle logo on a cup instead.

We’re expanding Melbourne, Hobart & Brisbane aiports and have built a new one in Sydney, they should all be closed. A new football stadium in Hobart is a laughable mockery in the face of a climate emergency.

Solutions to Climate Change and the enviomental crisis require a complete change to the social, political and economic way we live upon the Earth, what we’re doing is rearranging the deck chairs.

We need to ban cars and flying but what we’re doing is banning plastic bags and chopping down forests to make paper bags.

All too much to expect ? Well, that’s the point and why we’re not doing anything, beside incremental tokeism and why it will only get worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/un-expert-human-rights-climate-crisis-economy

Outgoing special rapporteur David Boyd says ‘there’s something wrong with our brains that we can’t understand how grave this is’

Cop31 is a chance to redefine ourselves from climate laggard to global leade

No it isn’t, such foolish, ney stupid thinking.

The entire COP process has been co-opted by fossil fuel interests and is now irrelevant , we’re a massive exporter of fossil fuels and have zero interest in moving foward to zero emissons, voters will never tolerate not being able to fly and told they can’t drive cars, stop owing meat eating pets etc

If we wanted to be “leaders” we’d not be holding the Olympics in Australia, not be spending billions expanding Brisbane, Melbourne and Hobart airports, we’d have abandoned all new road projects and only be building PT and AT infrastructure and be closing coal mines and gas extraction and redoing society for low energy dependence, while starting managed abandonment of coastlines and Northern Australia.

Just stick to denial and useless tokenism with a few solar panels and ecars like other developed countries and stop with the hypocrisy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/un-expert-human-rights-climate-crisis-economy

Boyd said: “There’s no place in the climate negotiations for fossil-fuel companies. There is no place in the plastic negotiations for plastic manufacturers. It just absolutely boggles my mind that anybody thinks they have a legitimate seat at the table.

“It has driven me crazy in the past six years that governments are just oblivious to history. We know that the tobacco industry lied through their teeth for decades. The lead industry did the same. The asbestos industry did the same. The plastics industry has done the same. The pesticide industry has done the same.”

Still so much 2FA via SMS where I am in Aus.

I’d prefer to move everything over to something like Signal but I neeed a phone # to register for that but how do u tell the bank my Signal ID is @hanrhan.666

Which is widely know but surprisingly well supported by a vast number of voters.

Good news! Fuck the Swiss.

Works for me

If I can’t walk there, I don’t go.

Yeah, smart TV, never connect it to the 'net, get a used shield pro, ADB and side load F Launcher. No ads.

Shelds remote can control the TV volume and its connected via HDMI and the Shiekd Pro remote switches both off and on. I use Kodi, Prime, Smart Tube Next and a couple local TV apps.

Not what u want but that’s where I am and it works well.

Be interested to see the responses

So, his wife ?

Thats a dark road to tread.

An example,

no alchol consumption is safe, so using your line of thinking you’d need to argue that anyone who partakes of alcohol at any anytime would fall under that line of thinking

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

Processed red meats simailary, especially those treated with nitrites, so those eating bacon, ham etc shouldn’t be entitled to public heath care under your reasoning

https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1in3cancers/lifestyle-choices-and-cancer/red-meat-processed-meat-and-cancer/

Or are those things ok becase you do them ?

On the upside, now you’ve excluded 95% of the population, public healthcare will be cheap :)

Contra to most peoples thinking, if you’re concerned about public healthcare costs, you should “encourage” obesiety and smoking, they all die early, most health care coats are associated with healthy people in their old age. See here

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html

Adults are stupid and greedy, we all are.

This is the most depressing thread I’ve read for some time.

It’s horrific to read some of the posts twisting bad news and making out as though it’s good news. It’s like the posters are watching children in a sandpit playing, ignoring the monster flood thats about to wash them away but taking joy in their play. Wtf?

Professor Boyd is right https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/un-expert-human-rights-climate-crisis-economy

Outgoing special rapporteur David Boyd says ‘there’s something wrong with our brains that we can’t understand how grave this is’

And after reading this thread, i am even more sure Rees is

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2024/06/14/opinion/science-civilization-collapse-environment-limits

Rees bluntly states, “the human enterprise is effectively subsuming the ecosphere” and “wide-spread societal collapse cannot be averted — collapse is not a problem to be solved, but rather the final stage of a cycle to be endured.”

You both use Signal, problem solved.

I’ve never even browed the local feed on the Masro server I’m on.

Just pick a non mainstream one that has been around for a bit ?

I use Fedilab, Megalodon and Rodent.

Thanks for that I have been considering a foldable and the creaae doesn’t worry me but how’s the durability ?

It’s literally why it’s there, they can now point to their work on the envronmwnt in a 30 second newsbite to appease the fluffy heads who vote for them. Similarly their emsisons policy.

And work for them , like Ms Higgins ?

Southern Hemisphere is a big place, I’m at 10C here in Tasmania where I live , in the middle of the day, a long way from scorching.

It would be nice if they used more specific language then “southern hemisphere”, which includes Antarctica.

I’m 58, child free and have many such interaction multiple times.

Perhaps the other way around you don’t but other people with kids sometimes do.

This is a flase equivalence. The “terror” element is a distraction and a poor argument

It would be like Russia coming in and taking Donbas and saying “this is ours”, and the world being outraged if Ukrainians fight back and if Ukrainians are still fighting back in 50 years people saying Ukrainians are terrible people look at the terror with zero context and worse still for people to be arguing for Russia, what a skap in the face that would be.

Would people still be outraged at the “terrorism” being wrought by Ukrainians because Russia says its terrorism ? Surely Israel’s existence is a travesty, it does exist but obviously there is no dealing with this any other way until Israel stops. This never ends.

Israel just keeps taking more and more and being more and more provocative. What of Indonesia in West Papua? Or more recently Indonesia in Timor ?

This never ends, this is just another phase.

MAGA