Michael should be getting royalties
This might be the first time I’ve ever seen something productive happen in the Phoronix forums. I love that place. Go to any topic with more than about a dozen posts and it’s almost guaranteed to be a flame war. Genuinely one of the funniest places on the Internet.
Check out this one. It took like three posts!
The phoronix forums are insanely toxic. Everything is bad. Gnome = kid’s toy. systemd = written by Satan himself. Every programming language = too slow. Anything vaguely interested in fostering a diversity, equity, and inclusion = true colors come out in full force.
It’s so toxic yet I subject myself to it every now and again. There’s absolutely no moderation going on and it shows.
Any post mentioning Wayland or btrfs is guaranteed to have at least 60 comments
Obviously. X11 and ZFS are far superior. I use Arch, btw.
It’s super confusing, like I feel many commenters there live in a different universe. They talk about how Wayland is a failure that has failed to get off the ground, while it’s the default in most of the major distros at this point.
It’s really good so long as you aren’t trying to use it with Nvidia especially for gaming in my experience
Once in a while I venture their forums as a morbid curiosity and it always delivers.
There is some, but unless it gets really uncivilized no action really gets taken. a couple users have been banned
IMO I prefer it that way myself though. you either learn something neat, or engage in a class shittery. lots of other more polite forums such as this if phoronix forums isn’t to taste
Interestingly, the guy who made the referenced post, ‘avis’, is allegedly the new name of ‘birdie’, a well-known troll on the forums who was banned a while back. Basically everyone there agrees that it’s him and no action is taken against this new account.
I don’t think there is any doubt that avis is artem lol his profile even says banned in it as a joke. as long as his behavior is better, which it has been even if only marginal, there won’t be an issue. even if he does nearly single handedly cause most of the 5+ page… debates
What part of any of those opinions is toxic? Lol. If your feelings get hurt because of your parasocialtechnological relationship with software you didn’t even write, take it up with your therapist.
Anything vaguely interested in fostering a diversity, equity, and inclusion = true colors come out in full force.
if you don’t understand how this is toxic then you are dumb as dogshit
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Did you not see how that turned from a really inconsequential disagreement to something emotional and personal almost immediately?
Sure, no single post was particularly toxic on its own. It’s the holy war tenor of discussions on Phoronix that all but guarantees that every discussion ends up as a flame war.
None of that is emotional or personal because I don’t personally identify with software you weirdo.
a hit dog will holler.
Man, that guy really likes X11.
Fyi, you’ve linked to page 4, here’s where it starts.
I hope the phoronix forums never die
That’s hilarious.
“Mozilla is allowing you the option to build Firefox without X11 dependencies”
“Mozilla hates freedom!!!”
I got to page 3 before I couldn’t take it anymore and had close 🤣
Nice
I couldn’t even read halfway past page 2.
I love Phoronix, but its forum is such a cesspool.
Especially when the original article is about anything related to Rust. An hour after the article is live you’ll have 50 posts arguing and trolling like there’s nothing more important in the whole wide world. So entertaining!
It takes whatever amount of posts is needed for something Wayland-related
How can one person miss so many logical points is beyond me
This is how the rest of the industry worked for years. Nvidia was just stuck in the past century.
Behold! The power of open source!
NVIDIA is finally starting to play nicely with the community to help sort the driver mess out. Nouveau paired with NVK might actually be the future of NVIDIA graphics under Linux!
Might make me consider buying an Nvidia card in the future if they can get a reasonably performing and reliable in-kernel driver.
I still won’t buy one just because of this news - they have done lots, lots of shitty things in the past. GameWorks, PhysX, Geforce Partnership Program, etc. While AMD is not exactly a saint when it comes to open sourcing, they still commit far more than Nvidia to open standards.
Nvidia has burned their reputation… Will take years to regain trust.
They are responsible for almost all issues new people have with Linux.
For me it was Gamestream. I literally didn’t even check AMD because Gamestream was so important to me. My next graphics card will be the first ever not from Nvidia.
From what I read, Sunshine is far from Gamestream.
They’ve been dicks for two decades, just playing a bit nicee doesn’t really change anything. If they work properly with open source, and enable proper in kernel drivers for the next decade or so I might consider buying something nvidia.
So what are considered the most linux-friendly GPUs?
Like a specific GPU or brand?
Most AMD stuff is pretty solid using the AMDGPU driver, including stuff from the RX4xx series onward plus various APU’s pretty my own experience.
Intel stuff is usually ok but I’ve run into some weirdness with the Atom and some other stuff with integrated graphics
It is solid until you need to use openCL (hopefully this changes when RustiCL beats the closed AMD drivers)
They all work. It doesn’t matter. Just pick the one that fits your usage pattern.
Not true, AMD works out of the box with almost every distro. Nvidia doesn’t work out of the box on a lot (Debian for example)
Nvidia doesn’t work out of the box on a lot (Debian for example)
But it DOES work. Debian/Arch/etc push the responsibility to the user to finish setting things up (kernel command lines, drivers, etc). How exactly is that an Nvidia problem and not just distros sticking it to their users resulting in user anger towards Nvidia?
Nothing “works out of the box” on an operating system without the OS installation process using auto-detection to guide the users through the additional steps required to setup WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. Yet for some reason when it comes to hardware GPU acceleration, the Linux distro response is just “fuck, Nvidia? figure it out yourself, I can’t be arsed to add the required config files and kernel command params”.
Debian doesn’t push the responsibility to the user to finish setting things up though, it is designed to be complete out of the box, especially since Debian 12.
For what it’s worth on my computer with a GTX 1650 and Debian 12, I am unable to use Wayland at all as the drivers simply do not work (yes, this is the nvidia-driver package, not nouveau). On Plasma, everything seems to move at a snail’s pace, and on GNOME the desktop is constantly flickering and showing old portions of the screen. X11 is perfectly fine though.
On my cheap laptop with integrated AMD graphics though? Debian 12 with Wayland works like a charm and has no issues.
So, I’m going with nvidia being the problem here.
I was on Ubuntu 22, and now I’m on Arch with a 3090. Daz3d+iray/dforce works, FFXIV works, Stable Diffusion works, X11 works, everything I throw at my card just works. Blaming Wayland not working on Nvidia is just ludicrous as Wayland is it’s own pile of half baked dogshit.
It does work with the nouveau driver and will display your desktop just fine.
If you want to play GTA, just add the nVidia repo that literally every distribution has.
forms
Two mistakes in one word.
This is the most Phoronix forums like comment I have seen so far LOL
Legends says that there is a forum post about an article that not begins with “typo:”
All I see is two people failing their corporately mandated cyber security training at the same time.
If part of their job is working with the OSS community I don’t see anything wrong (and I just finished my annual training a few weeks ago, so it’s still fresh in my mind).
Edit: keeping an “official” repo secret does seem like an issue, but public posts about the correct process to contribute upstream doesn’t seem like a problem.
For the Greater Good !
the Greater Good
Shut it!
Does that mean we’ll get more and better firmware updates? Please explain like I’m no firmware dev.
Not really. Instead of dumping all the drivers into one repo, there’s now a separate repo just for GPU drivers, which is just a staging area, before they get merged into the main repo.
If you ask “why”? It’s like creating an extra folder so that your files are organized better.
As an end user, it’s not going to change anything for us.
This is the way
NVIDIA rep created an account to make this post
AMD rep was already an active member of the community
Unsurprising, yet it still speaks volumes.
Lol
