• Cyber Ghost@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    1 year ago

    No, black people’s generational wealth is the one that has been stolen with slavery, then segregation, then Jim Crow laws and then systematic racism. In order to help black people even have a fighting chance compared to the average white household, reparations are needed particularly for blacks.

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      1 year ago

      So we leave out the homeless guy on the verge of death, because he’s white. And we make sure Kanye and Oprah still get cut in?

      The goal should be for a basic standard of living for everyone, not ensuring that rich people of color get the appropriate bump in their investment accounts.

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        Tbh who cares? Whenever any wealth redistribution plan gets brought up there’s always so much concern that money doesn’t get spent on the “wrong people.” And as a result of that we end up creating a fuckton of bureaucracy to verify and gatekeep who is and isn’t worthy of getting help, which invariably costs more than if we just… didn’t do that.

        Give Kanye and Oprah a check, whatever, I’d rather them get some money than spend an order of magnitude more on red tape

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        You know that there is literally only a handful of black people who are rich and they will most likely give out their reparations to charity if they get any? Also it is called “reparations” because it is given after a harmed made. Black people’s generational wealth was stolen therefore, they are giving it back to them. It is something that was theirs, stolen and then given back.

        If we do achieve socialism/communism, then we wouldn’t need reparations, but why do you want to give everyone the reparations of black people?

        Did everyone get the reparations that were given to the Jews after WW2?

        Your point is to discredit the policy by saying that is either everyone or no one, even though no other group was put into slavery here.

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          You know that there is literally only a handful of black people who are rich and they will most likely give out their reparations to charity if they get any?

          Idealism moment.

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          Better not do reparations at all. I mean, think of all the people (re: white people) who would feel left out!

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            It’s a lie to pretend I said we shouldn’t do reparations.

            What I actually said was that it should target the poor as a class, rather than one race.

            This still benefits the races was harmed the most, because they make up a disproportionate part of the poor.

            It also has two other benefits:

            • it’s easier to pass, because the poor of other races chip in to see it done.

            • It benefits those discriminated against in other ways besides race too, and doesn’t require spending on people that are already wealthy.

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              We need both reparations and socialism. Indigenous people get reparations because they were genocided and need the land and money to help bring humanity back into a better relationship with nature. New Afrikans need it because they were enslaved and continue to be victims of racism. Global South countries need it to deal with the environmental problems they didn’t cause. Meanwhile, what white people need is socialism. We are part of the nation that inflicted all that harm, not victims of one of those crimes beyond as a class. The solution for their plight is to simply own their own means of production. Reparations are for the colonized. Socialism is for everyone. Of course Jay Z’s getting expropriated, as a capitalist. That doesn’t mean the average non-white family doesn’t need more help than euro Amerikans.