• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    Are we pretending that humans and animals do the same things? You can be fine with homosexuality, but what animals do have nothing to do with what humans do.

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      Humans are literally a categorical subset within the taxonomical kingdom of “animals”.

      “People” who argue that humans aren’t animals are clearly vegetables :p /s

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          Yes. Everything else is only because we perceive it differently, notably culturally. And that depends on the individual, time and culture that percieves it. And our perceptions aren’t always good but are built from other things including misconceptions.

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            So when a human rapes or murders and eats another human that is natural becuase animals do this?

            Or maybe animals and humans are not the same and we dont get to pick and chose for memes…

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              It’s something that happens naturally, yes. I’m not picking and choosing nature. We can decide what we want to be, including the ability to chose to not be a bigot.

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                Animals frequently murder those other than themselves, so then is what could be considered bigotry also natural? If this is all natural then what is the whole point of calling things natural?

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                  This is not a meme of everything natural being allowed but a meme countering bigots claiming homosexuality is unnatural which they take as the reason to not want it allowed (because they’ve already lost on the angle of it being ethically wrong). Just because something is natural, doesn’t mean it’s good. It just means it’s not unnatural and you’re somehow confusing the two. What’s good is an ethical and altogether different question.

                  Or in simpler terms: Bigots be bigots (homosexuality is evil) > we prove them wrong > they still be bigots and move goal posts (homosexuality is unnatural) > we for some reason indulge them and prove them wrong on the moved goal post > they move goal posts again claiming to have already forgotten that we’ve already long established that homosexuality isn’t ethically wrong, looking insane in the process > I wonder why i even talk to you and block you because every single time i see a comment of yours it’s some negative bigoted shit and I’m tired of engaging with you. You manage to make yourself look insane all on your own anyways

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    This must be the famous Linux-to-queer pipeline I’ve heard so much about.

  • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Some people claim homosexuality is as old as humanity. This is clearly wrong. Homosexuality is much older

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          Single cell life doesn’t have sexuality, not even all multicellular organisms do. And there are lifeforms like plants that throw around their pollen and hope that pollen of the opposite sex meet or make insects or alike distribute their pollen to other plants. That’s sexuality in the biological sense, too

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          Probably not quite that old. Sexuality probably developed in the Proterozoic as a means of diversifying reproductive burden and offsetting parasites.

          Multicellular life predates this by quite a bit.

          So homosexuality likely dates back to the Proterozoic Era when the sexes where largely dimorphic and prone to shift as needed. Life … uh, finds a way.

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      Not only are you correct, we will never have any real sense of scale of just how correct you are, since we’ve only been exposed to about less than 0.01% of life that’s ever existed on Earth in the last several billion years.

      For all we know there were clans of synapsids that were exclusively homosexual for terms of child-rearing and had complicated social systems with language and structured hierarchy, etc.

      The idea that we can even remotely determine what this world’s natural systems have been like from looking at a sliver of a sliver of a sliver of the total picture is once again peak human hubris and self importance.

      This planet has been a thriving source of life in the universe, maybe the only one like it for far, far longer than any human alive can comprehend. In the last several billion years nothing complained about homosexuality. Humans will be here for a brief blip on the larger picture, and there will be no record nor impact from anyone’s hate or fear of sex acts. Earth will keep spinning through the void, life will keep evolving. Protest signs and hateful messages will dissolve back to the systems that created them.

      All you people screaming and crying about “woke” this and that, and who get confused by terms like LGBTQ+, it doesn’t matter. You will be dust for far, far longer than you will be a human screaming about what’s “natural.”

  • letsgo@lemm.ee
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    Has homosexuality been redefined?

    I thought huddling together for warmth in cold weather was a survival technique: a method for staying alive, rather than counting as a sex act.

    And two males bringing up an orphaned child seems like a jolly nice thing to do for the child and the community. If an orphanage is staffed by one sex, does that make the whole place a massive L/G orgy even if nobody is having sex with anyone else?

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        The gesture almost can’t mean the same thing to a creature that doesn’t have a pair of soft appendages with some of the densest nerve clusters on its entire body in that specific location. But yeah raising a child together is pretty darn gay. I guess they could be platonically coparenting but tbh that seems like an even bigger anthropomorphization. “They’re gay, Karen” is honestly just occam’s razor for this situation.

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          I’ve seen birds kissing, and I can’t come up with any nonromantic explanation for it. Also they only do it when they think I’m not watching.

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            You should start streaming some old Animal Planet shows. Grooming each other is a big part of social bonding among many different animals.

            Also, the second part is because they’ve seen what you do when you’re alone and know you’re a perv.

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            Humans cuddle platonically/familially. I also wonder if it’s maybe not more like holding hands which isn’t always romantic among humans depending on culture. Again, arguing 0% on the gayness, my only beef is with the anthropomorphization, and the whole point of acknowledging in the first place is that no human has any real way of knowing what’s going on in an animal’s head.

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    I’m not saying this fact about penguins isn’t true, I don’t know, but this isn’t a real wikipedia screenshot like it acts like it is. In fact, searching for “homosexuality is common in penguins” only returns results for transcriptions of this meme.

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        Haha I’m committed to the truth but not that committed. Anyone can edit an article to put in whatever blurb they want, but it won’t stick for long if most of the community agrees with it and it has decent citations (none of which are in the screenshot). Also the text isn’t written professionally, “love to cuddle” is not language that would normally appear in a scientific wiki article.

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          and it has decent citations

          Not a case anymore, unfortunately. There are leftist meme articles that only cite tweets and buzzfeed reposting said tweets, but if try to do anything about it, your edits will be instantly reverted and your account gets banned.

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            Without examples it’s hard to say anything at all beyond guesses really.

            But if the article is about a xitter meme, tweets are the original source, and therefore perfectly relevant citations.

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              The most obvious example I know of is this one. Not a thing, never was a thing, and the entire page is just folk from 196 and blahaj dunking on wikipedia. And check out the talk page where they try to pretend that the skeleton image is the best representation of said “phenomenon”, while simultaneously removing any messages doubting it’s existence.

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                I dunno, it doesn’t seem to overstate its case

                While not all films, television shows, photographs, and music videos that use this lighting intend to portray bisexuality, many queer artists have deliberately used this color palette

                It also uses sources such as Vice and the BBC

                I wouldn’t call it a high quality article, but I also wouldn’t call it factually incorrect.

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      Love that you saw this and was like “this can’t be true. Gotta fact check bullshit”. Like why do you need to go out of your way for that?

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        Some people just dislike misinformation, regardless of whether it aligns with their world view.

        There are plenty of real reasons homosexuality is natural, why invent fake ones?

    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
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      As a penguin, I can say with 100% certainty that there are gay penguins.

      We also like to do giant penguin orgies, but we don’t let the researchers see that

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    From the penguin documentaries I watched as a kid, I feel like the “leaving eggs behind” might involve relentless bullying.

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      It takes two penguins working together to care for an egg, if one penguin dies the remaining penguin can’t hold the egg and feed itself, so either a couple steps up or a lone penguin joins the remaining penguin, having several homosexual couples who are on standby to take care of orphan eggs is a clear evolutionary advantage.

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        I’d be cautious with saying evolutionary advantage here.

        I don’t believe the “Gay Uncle hypothesis” any more than the somewhat debunked “Grandmother Hypothesis”, which aimed to explain menopause with biological altruism. Just because we could think of a way in that it might be advantageous for a species doesn’t mean it’s advantageous for an individuals fitness.

        Of course, it can be still an advantage, but we’d only know with more free, uncensored research.

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          Does evolutionary pressure only exist on individuals? I’ve never heard that. There’s a wide variety of species that are highly socially organized, do you not accept that that’s through evolutionarily pressure?

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    Akshualy those are lesbians, because birds have XX for male and XY for female. 😅

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    Penguins aren’t natural. They’re cybernetic sentinels made by the Illuminati to defend the Antarctic Wall and stop people from discovering the edge of the flat Earth.

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    Homosexuality is natural. I don’t know about you but this is very soothing sentence in my mind after years of all sorts of morality figures saying the opposite. I want to like repeat it and savour it

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    Pretty sure they get up to all sorts of rape and paedophilia and incest too. This might be a nice fact, but penguins are dirty bitches and certainly no behavioural gold standard.

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      I don’t think anyone but you has even remotely implied there’s some overall gold standard presented by penguin behavior that needs to be compared to humans. Simply the fact that other species have homosexuals, and those pairs can raise a “family” successfully. Compared to your mentioned standard humans don’t do so great sometimes either.

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        I didn’t imply they were a gold standard. I just remarked that they certainly weren’t, which is very different.

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      Giraffe, why are you gay?

      Disclaimer: Pepe Julian Onziema is an absolute legend and hero and is based in Kenya’s neighbor Uganda, not actually Kenya, but THAT interview is a source of joy for me and jumped to my head.

    • HSR🏴‍☠️@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      At first this caption made me think that Kenyan giraffes are especially gay, as if Kenya was some kind of Washington D.C. of giraffe world. In other news, I am now aware of grey whale orgies.

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        Right whales too - with a metric tonne of balls to bring to the party - they are made for lovin’ not fightin’:

        Right whales form large mating aggregations, which can include several males seeking access to a female. However, unlike humpback whale competitive groups, male right whales do not engage in aggressive displays. One female may successively mate with several males, and it is believed that males compete to pass their genes to the next generation through quantity of sperm they deliver when they mate, rather than fighting for access to females. This theory is supported by the fact that male right whales have the largest testes of any animal on earth (up to 500 kg each), as well as extremely large penises.

        https://iwc.int/about-whales/whale-species/right-whale