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The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.
Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they’ll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.
You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don’t want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue
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So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn’t work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.
Yup, all you’re doing is teaching them to cover their tracks
A generation of privacy savvy citizens doesn’t sound bad.
Much easier just to go to sketchy websites than learn how to hide your traffic
Or, just as likely, go to the sketchy VPNs from the first Play Store results.
Learning to circumvent my parent’s fumbling attempts to keep me off of early nineties bulletin board porn made me the man I am today.
Hola señores, necesito más créditos de la pornografía porque sus madres tienen tetas grandes.
Vergas son mejores; te lo doy si te comportas. Lol
Mi chiste favorito de la escuela…Cuando esta lloviendo, a ti te gusta ver gotitas? O ver gototas?
A mi me encantan las ver gototas.
Senior governor, necesitamos assistancia pornografica. Mas creditos por favor! Esas chiches no se pagan solas!
I don’t think this is that bad compared to the alternatives I’ve seen (it doesn’t tie your identity to the content you’re viewing, only the use of your credits) but I would be curious to know if the government is also reexamining its sex education curriculum and delivery at the same time. Banning porn won’t magically improve the attitudes of young people (particularly men) towards their sexual partners.
I think this is bad because it doesn’t solve any problems (efficacy of age verification systems is questionable at best) and introduces new problems (token system violates privacy). Censorship under governments creates black markets and reduces privacy at taxpayer expense. If they are concerned about child safety maybe they should start with what studies show are the most effective ways to accomplish that goal as opposed to ineffective, expensive wastes of time.
(it doesn’t tie your identity to the content you’re viewing, only the use of your credits)
The website can’t know this, but the government can easily (and I bet will) link an identity to a token, and know where and when it is used. It can also request metadata on usage of a token, which websites will no doubt want to store.
That the government can track this sort of thing is bad enough, but I’m especially concerned that it or both parties will leak/share/sell their databases, allowing anyone to do the same.
Why do you assume they will? From the design document it sounds like that’s not how it will work. You mentioned data leaks but it sounds like there is no history log to leak.
If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn… I don’t give a shit if kids watch porn.
Idiots. I’m certain that absolutely no one wants this. What a shit show.
Shit show you say? That’s one token down
When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol’ simulator:
Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn’t possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.
On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off
Aren’t teens adults?
Aren’t hotdogs hamburgers?
Drake uses an owl for his logo. Are you Drake?
To libertarians, yes.
This is the one. Right here, officer.
Depends on legislature.
18 year olds and above are considered basically adults in terms of rights in a lot of countries. Technically, they are teenagers, if we refer to the age group 10 to 19 as teens. It’s obvious though that everyone below that “adult-age” limit is not considered an adult.
Usually I think teens are 13+
In Judaism that’s an adult. Also people that age can produce children. I don’t know about other cultures.
At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.
Those kids will install a VPN faster than this bill goes through the Spanish parliament.
Even something as straightforward nowadays as VPN install can educate a person about cybersecurity as a side effect.
Thing is most stuff is simply too easy too acquire nowadays. No effort. No thought. Just endless stream of dopamine that is too addicting to even bother inquiring about how the very thing you are using works.
The victory of convenience will defeat us. There has to be some effort needed to acquire things otherwise they lose any value.
Only applies to sites who are based in Spain, at least the porn bans in the US went somewhat scorched earth, this limp dicked attempt doesn’t even do that.
Wait, what are the credits for? You spend them to watch porn or what? So when you’re out of credits you’re locked out? Sorry but… wtf?
I wonder if threesomes burn through the credits faster. Group kinks are going to be expensive.
Then again, maybe there’ll be discounts for partial nudity.
No one expects the Spanish Imposition.
The Spanish Inhibition
Spanish (limited) Exhibition
The Spanish Intermission
The Spanish Invasion (of privacy)?
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How can you be against porn? It’s neither good or bad, it exists and I basically don’t watch it, but I recognize that others do, why is that a problem that needs solving? To be clear, I’m reading your response as against porn in all forms and for all audiences based on your wording, is that what you mean?
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It seems pretty clear that advocates for and against porn/prostitution should all want it to be legalised and regulated so that proper controls and oversight can be put in place. Driving porn/prostitution in to the hands of criminal enterprise guarantees that there is no safety or standard of behaviour when it comes to these industries, much like the failing war on drugs.
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Okay, well tell Portugal that then, considering the dramatic social shift after decriminalising and treating drug addiction as a health issue.
Obviously don’t do it like America, because that’s the same rule with most things.
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Sounds like we agree then, you did say that there is no point in legalising it. If that was the combined concept of both legalising it and giving it to corps to handle being bad, then sure, we agree.
I paid rent using a webcam years ago, and I am not sure that your points really apply to all porn/sex-work. I am not denying that it doesn’t apply to some of it though.
Men paid me to chat with them, let them watch me jerk off, and sometimes watch them watch me jerk off. I was probably going to jerk off anyway, and knowing what I was so attractive that people would pay me to see me do it was a turn on.
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Yet, you only streamed because you needed to pay rent, or didn’t you?
It’s pretty fun to having guys go on and on about how big/suckable your dick is and how much they want you to fuck them. If I was single I’d probably do it again, even without being paid.
Also, I did not propose immediately anything that would threaten the activity in the way you practiced it
When you responded to @SlothMama@lemmy.world, you said that you were against all porn.
To be clear, I’m reading your response as against porn in all forms and for all audiences based on your wording, is that what you mean?
Yes.
I was showing one of the many examples of being in the sex industry, without any abuse and without it being “paid rape” as you put it. You didn’t say “some”, “a lot”, or even “most”. You simply generalized all sex work as harmful to the worker/performer.
My problem with pornography is the reality of it as well as the reality of prostitution in general. The porn industry is the home of abuse, in every sense. First in the rawest sense, the physical and mental abuse that actresses go through; second in the reproduction and propagation of the culture of abuse, considering that it is the most recurrent theme in porn films; third in the economic sense, pornography, like prostitution in general, is the sale of consent: the actress or prostitute receives money to have sex with someone she would not have sex with under other circumstances, in short: paid rape.
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So the reason they give you multiple credits instead of just a 30 day cookie when you sign into a website is that it’s anonymised right? You generate them and save them offline and the government doesn’t know which token belongs to who?
It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.
“Javier, it’s been 30 minutes since your last credit application.”
“MORE CREDITS. CAN’T TALK.”
And then when it doesn’t work because of the laws of nature, they can block filesharing sites on account of porning kids up without requiring porn credits.
The harder a law is to enforce, the more that law is a boon for an expanding surveillance state.
