Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word “verdict” indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word “verdict” indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 05/30/2024
New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024
Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
COUNT #1: GUILTY!
COUNT #2: GUILTY!
COUNT #3: GUILTY!
COUNT #4: GUILTY!
COUNT #5: GUILTY!
COUNT #6: GUILTY!
COUNT #7: GUILTY!
COUNT #8: GUILTY!
COUNT #9: GUILTY!
COUNT #10: GUILTY!
COUNT #11: GUILTY!
COUNT #12: GUILTY!
… COUNT #34: GUILTY!GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS
HOW ARE YOU SEEING THIS???
Damn, I don’t think I felt like this since election night, 2020.
Where are all the people who insisted that this would be a hung jury / acquittal? This was an easy and quick decision. I told you NYC would do this before the weekend.
Well hopefully, they’re celebrating having been wrong.
I think they’ve moved on to claiming Trump will never be sentenced to anything and will appeal it forever.
This is not a complicated case. His signature was on 9 of the 11 checks and there was so much testimony linking him to the crimes. Michael Cohen played a secret tape of him and Trump discussing it!
The judge bent over backwards to make the trial fair and any appeals will probably be rejected. There’s just nothing to appeal.
Yeah its not like sentencing waits for appeal right?
People who have been in prison for years are still going for appeals.
💯
Same vibe.
Yeah feels like breathing the same sigh of relief. Just hoping now another January 6th situation doesn’t happen as a follow up.
I mean, the timing is all wrong. J6 had a series of dependencies associated with it.
Like, they are fucked for timing right now. Couldn’t be a worse time this could have happened electorally. I guess he can campaign from prison?
I don’t think he’ll go to prison (would love to be proven wrong). I don’t think these charges have mandatory jail time. Plus I think he will appeal this until he dies.
Yeah I don’t know either. I’ll watch MeidasTouch for the analysis on that. They’ve called pretty much every aspect of this trial correctly. Its a YT channel of all attorneys, trial lawyers, former prosecutors, etc. When it comes to law, not much better. They have former members of the NY AG office as contributors. None better.
Is it actually good? YouTube keeps pushing it in my algorithm but the titles all look like wishcasting BS so I’ve avoided it.
Its pretty far to the right (liberal/conservative), and they spam your feed constantly with click baity ass shit. Most of its not worth clicking on. Ragebait, clickbait, wishcasting, nothing burgers.
The two reasons to have been watching it until now have been Karen Friedman Agnifilo, and Michael Cohen. Both are contributors to the channel.
Karen Friedman Agnfilo is a former prosecutor in the office (30 years) that was prosecuting Trump. And Micheal Cohen is… well… he’s Michael Cohen.
These two figures are particularly informative in regards to this trial, and so are worth watching. Once this trial is well behind us, I’m not going to be watching the channel, unless its specifically regarding a legal matter.
And that’s the divide for me. This channel is great for legal analysis. But their political analysis is just, myopic, to say the least. I don’t go to them for political analysis. They don’t know up from down in this regard.
If you want great legal analysis, they are the best.
If you want recommendations for political analysis lmk.
So… Anyone else “working” right now?
Hey, I have Slack open on my work phone, that counts, right?
Totally counts. Tell me about your business. There, now you are working.
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!!
GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!!! FUCK YOU DJT!!!
Sentencing is set for July 11.
Tef-FELON-don!
I would bet $1000 that nothing meaningful happens to that slick old bastard.
There are two justice systems in this country, and Trump is in the one that’s so rich that he doesn’t face the same kind of meaningful consequences that we do.
GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS!
ABSOLUTE CONSENSUS FROM JURY!!!
Meidas touch live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkRFl-zQbK4
Meidas touch is a YT channel composed mostly of lawyers who take a particularly ‘legal’ take on the news and days events. They have MIchael Cohen as a contributor. They have former prosecutors from the NY Attorney Generals office as contributers.
These are the guys to be watching for this.
Well shit that was fast.
Less than 12 hours, but I bet it felt longer in the room.
So fast it makes the head spin.
Trumps poll numbers after this:
You underestimate the faith of his fanatics.
I mean his die hards aren’t going any where.
How I think this impacts things is the ‘perceived’ electability. Trump as a ‘convicted’ felon is far less electable than not-a-convicted-felon Trump.
There is a self-selection bias in poles based on if people think someone “can” win. Trump easily loses 5-10% in the polls because of this, which puts him back to nose-to-nose with Biden.
I think we see Romney maybe throw his hat in the ring. This is a referendum of the entire MAGA approach to politics which is basically utter disregard for the law. All of a sudden the door is WIDE open for challengers from within the Republican party.
I would not bet on that.
Evidence does not convince true believers, it makes them double down.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/darwins-subterranean-world/202401/why-do-people-double-down
You can bet on whatever you want. I think you should.
I’m betting a 5-10% drop in his poll numbers by July.
Honestly surprised you didn’t use the one gif from some random early episode, 10+ years before 2016, where the simpsons were predicting that trump would ruin the country as president, and Lisa had to fix things now.
Well I have been considering a FOSS/ fediverse app for better organizing my memes. I just have a big folder with key tags that I can search within right now.
I keep seeing this term, “foss” on this platform, and I have no idea what it is.
FOSS: “Free and open source”
