Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Exactly this
Definitely a good route!
why not both 💃🏻
Because the other one suuuuucks. Moda suck badly, management sucks, it all sucks.
So where do you go for tech advice, niche hobbies and obscure activities?
I go here. If there isn’t the right sub yet, I make it, start advertising it on Reddit.
After Reddit closed the API so that spez could get his 100+ million bonus, yet I no longer was allowed to use my RedditIsFun app, it was game over for me. I deleted 13+ years of thousands of my posts and replies, 150K karma, fuck it, don’t care, not leaving that so an sociopath can enrich himself
I umderstand your reasoning and I sure hope the fediverse will succeed. I doubt the normies will come over any time soon, but that is not really a bad thing. What is bad tho, is the fragmentation of data over so many instances, duplicate communities not knowing about each other and the censorship some instances apply. I don’t even know how some of these will get fixed or if they will ever, as they are core part of a decentralized architecture. I miss infinity tho, eternity for lemmy worked for a while but it’s no longer maintained :(
Removed by mod
No way, reddit mods are insane.
Yeah, mostly limited to specific instances though.
Like this one.
And world
Why are you still on .world?
I’ll probably migrate eventually. I’ve already changed a few times and it used to be a hassle but apparently it’s not now? But I just haven’t gotten around to it yet lol
Lemmy’s mostly alright, it’s nice that it is more politically open, though I’ve seen a lot I don’t agree with from some groups, namely hexbear, but also a bit from other places. ml is a mixed bag for me but at least you can just straight up block things easily.
You looking for an echo chamber? lol
Sometimes hanging out with like-minded people is a less toxic, more pleasant experience.
What isnt one today?
With Lemmy you have a selection of echo chambers, so its much more diverse in the end.
lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable
It’s as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.
Yeah, Lemmy doesn’t block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.
Couldn’t it? If an Instance owner so chose?
Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads…
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip’s and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
Reddit isn’t privacy-safe either.
I’d put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn’t a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don’t really bother me that much.
not having e2e bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.
i don’t expect it on lemmy though.
also a gdpr nightmare
Care to explain why?
I’m assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
it should
Under normal circumstances. But there could be federation issues, or someone could run a custom Verizon that just ignores all deletion requests.
I’m unsure if that’s considered part of the diligence required in Europe.
Its not a guaranteed thing. As I understand it servers can simply choose to ignore the delete federation. I have never run a Lemmy server though, so take that with a tiny grain of salt.
Yeah, but companies can also “choose” to ignore GDPR requests. I don’t think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
As all sites should be. I’m on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don’t put nothing online you don’t want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it’s a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can’t have any expectation of privacy, it’s essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they’re not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn’t be trivial to violate someone’s privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it’ll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
Are you joking? Lemmy is basically unmoderated, and the little moderation we have is trash.
You’re on one of the best-moderated instances unless you hate trans people.
I’m aware. That’s why I chose this instance. And yet.
Thats the neat part about lemmy, every instance can do their own thing.
If you’re not happy with the moderation you currently have, you can always check out other instances
Several people have already raised concerns with the fact that they got banned from several unrelated .ml communities by the same mod for breaking the rules in one community. There are several topics with broad appeal that have their largest community on .ml. Switching instances is basically the same as making another account because you’re still subject to the .ml moderation.
Then the people should switch over the communities to another instance then
The people don’t really do that. A move needs to start from the mods, whether it’s because they want to move or because they did something to piss everybody off.
Moderation is community level though.
If you bubble everything up to instance admins they basically melt from the effort.
I can’t speak for other instances, but we don’t melt from the effort.
We don’t either
Yes and no
If one of our users report something on lemmy.world for example we can remove it for all our users.
So yes, the post still exists but from the perspective of our instance it’s removed.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I’m here I’m happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people’s interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There’s join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Example: start here https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
about a tenth the content
I fucking wish.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
So many communities simply don’t have alternatives here. But I’m happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don’t have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of “content”?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it’s not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
I think you may be preaching to the choir on this one. 😅
What do you mean by “privacy” on the lemmy side? And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
Hi, I’m Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to “power”.
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I’m still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it’s difficult when they’re willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don’t like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven’t, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
This is a precise depiction of both Lemmy and Reddit, surprisingly.
It could in fact depict any forum, IRC, or organized online community.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word “enshittification” is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it’s stolen. Can somebody break Reddit’s ToS and set up a reposting bot?
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
r/hellsomememes
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
Reposting bots aren’t great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren’t articles, they’re just memes. The discussion below is mostly just “aww” and “I’d like a demon friend too” so it’s not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it’s not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it’s an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won’t work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people
I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?
Good for you. At least it’s not enough for me, and for everyone who’s still using Reddit
It really depends on what content you want. If you like news and memes, Lemmy is the place to go. If you have a niche interest, there’s no hope.
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don’t get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it’s not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I’m making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won’t be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
My problem here is it being mostly left wing people, I am from the left, but I also want people from the other sides to be here as well, or else the whole thing will get one sided.
There probably are servers that try to be more tolerant or other opinions, but I think social media could be improved by something like in this video. I put a timestamp but TL;DW not just upvote+downvote, yes or no, but more diverse reactions like “partially agree”, “offtopic”, “you have convinced me”, “informative”, “misses the point”, etc.
So not just up and down, but left, right, diagonal and every which way to have a broader spectrum of human reactions instead of a binary one.
Additionally, add a more structured conversation flow depending on the community. A community for questions looks more like quora, a science community could maybe want options to add sources and have them aggregated in a thread, and so on.
I don’t care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only “you have to be on the political left here” but “being to the left isn’t enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.”.
What does this means?
Why would you actively want evil?
There’s evil in the left, trust me.
yes but right is all evil
This place is basically all autistic trans tankies. I’ve had to block so many anime communities just to make it feel anything close to mainstream
That’s a little risky to say on this instance lmao
And boom. It’s gone!
lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we’ll grow.
We’ve already grown faster than reddit
And searching for the said content
Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content
I’m doing my part!
There is substantially less content , but there is content. I don’t get everything I am looking for, but enough to keep me happy
The one I can search posts from about a very specific issue or question I have with google
