Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:
EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should’ve looked into posting this in a different community… It’s closer to a silly “innovation”… soo… is this considered FUD? I also don’t support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had “privacy-violating” before the “solution”.
Sure it seems draconian, but how else are we going to get the kids to stop vaping and start smoking cigarettes like we did when we were in high school?
Won’t someone please think of Phillip Morris’ profit margins?
Doesn’t Phillip Morris profit from vapes, too?
Bringing vapes as a popular nicotine delivery system is literally the way tobacco companies are able to proliferate and return smoking into fashion.
Also, smoking should be prohibited as well. Not only because it hurts the smokers themselves, but because others are affected without their consent.
A big salty tear.
Yes they profit from vapes, but they dont have as large a market share, as ‘anyone’ can make vape juice.
It’s easier to make cigarettes than vape juice. Everyone can produce them.
No reason to believe it’s any hard to build a similar monopoly on that, too
Your responding seriously to a joke.
So do they have cameras in there or what
IR Smoke Detectors with IOT would do the trick here and seem a likely choice on account of they didn’t include some bullshit about AI recognition, but it also makes them hilariously easy to game. Just spray some axe near it, you know us teenage boys, we smell. Or hell, dust.
It is just checks the air for specific chemicals. They also have them on air planes.
Not invasive in the least
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At least there are some criticisms. Considering it’s LinkedIn, forever, it will get drowned by a sea of synergy pivoting lunatics.
Rare LinkedIn ✨positive vibes✨ theater going off-script
The dildo of an unintended consequences is approaching.
Bullies will start blowing vape smoke on other kid’s desks to get them in trouble. And someone will eventual create a smoke-box class room to get the screen to light up with alerts.
Then what? You need to cross reference the alerts with a video feed or snapshots.
Then some genius will figure that using AI to analyze all of the data is easier than manually doing so.
The device still needs a human to investigate. Also it can’t narrow it down to specific students. All it can say is that there was vaping related chemicals detected in the bathroom.
All it can say is that there was vaping related chemicals detected in the bathroom.
Bring in a fog machine (mostly same ingredients) and see if machines can have aneurisms.
A fog machine doesn’t have any of the same metals or nicotine.
Also why would it be ok for a student to bring in a fog machine. That also seems kinda problematic
You don’t vape metals unless you’re running it unreasonably long and hot without juice. The studies that showed metals shedding from coils basically engineered it through nonrealistic methods that would never be repeated in the wild, you’d notice the worst taste you’ve ever had as the cotton singes long before the coil sheds any material. That said, vape juice is VG, PG, Flavors, and Nic; fog machine juice is VG, PG, distilled water, and essential oils if you want some smells. The bulk of both fluids is literally the exact same with the exception that vapes require USP food grade VG/PG where nobody cares with fog machines.
As to your second question: Because it’s funny. Of course they’d be mad about it, that’s part of why it’s funny. Not a class clown, were you?
Any good school should have a fog machine of its own IMO.
the sensors aren’t placed on desks, you can see that the displays are placed outside of bathrooms because that’s where kids generally vape. my high school has sensors inside the bathrooms on the ceiling and they don’t work. you’re thinking of a scenario that’s incredibly difficult and costly to implement, I assure you no district would be willing to hook this bullshit up to EVERY DESK. the term “Simon’s desk” here is likely just a name for one of the sensors they used to test this concept, with the sensor being located at the desk of a developer named simon
That looks like the emblem for my old high school, all 13+ years ago. If the kids are anything like we used to be, this will not last and will either have some one smash it, or just turn it off at the wall. Hell as pointed out, odds are the ones doing it don’t give a damn and revel in the attention.
I was the smashy kid in high school, and if I encountered this dystopian bullshit I would have smashed it with a glow in my heart
Wait till this crowd hears about smoke detectors.
I’m in tech and could never take myself seriously ever again if I built this.
I am all for vape detectors. They only detect the fumes and aren’t really that invasive. They are basiclly specialized fire alarms.
Nicotine is very bad for developing brains. I don’t understand why you are ok with minors using it in a public school of all things.
My problem with it is the whole purpose of what the device does based on the post is stupid. It just puts a notification on the screen as a way to try and use social pressure to get people to stop vaping. But that doesn’t work cause no one really cares if you vape or not. Some people might even think it’s cool or might turn it into a game of trying to vape without setting it off to impress their other friends who vape. I graduated highschool in 2019 and people definitely vaped and the only people they really cared about hiding it from were the teachers, no other students cared at all. So because of all of that this kind of device is just a waste of money that could be better spent on educating kids on how vaping is bad, just like what we did for cigarettes that worked so well.
Nobody said they were ok with young people vaping. The point people are making is that communication and discipline, both things that require time and skill, would be a better, less invasive approach.
The point people are making is that communication and discipline, both things that require time and skill, would be a better, less invasive approach.
Perhaps that’s being done as well?
But even if it is, that approach doesn’t work with all people, no matter how skillful or how much time is put into it.
It is literally a glorified smoke alarm.
Although, I am sure it is a slippery slope. Next the may want to install CO2 detectors and water line monitoring. They even may install pencil sharpeners in the classroom
They might also finally getting around to deterring school shooters by mounting those cool AI powered Samsung smart guns they recently installed at the Korean DMZ
Thats a bit of a wild leap. Would you be against using tech to respond rapidly to a gunshot in the school? Like those audio sensors which can pinpoint its location and alert security instantly?
Or they could start monitoring for violent words being said.
A smoke alarm monitors for an emergency, this is for monitoring people. There is a difference.
It’s not hard to see how the path of “monitor and report” is sliding into a more police state mindset when it’s been show that the best deterrent is education. And before people say “do both”, no. Stuff like this makes kids see the school as the enemy, someone to work around and try to beat. It destroys any trust.
I understand the point here and agree with it. It also feels a bit small and irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things.
Idk about schools outside the US but at least here, schools already have pretty extensive security camera systems that have the same issues. They are presumably only to be used by first responders during a school shooting or something like that (god our nation is f***ed up) but they do end up getting used in many schools to enforce random rules and stuff that are definitely not emergencies.
There was one time that my sister paid for an apple during lunch but asked the lunch lady if she could keep it so that my sister could come back for it later. She got called in for questioning by the police for “stealing” because the security guard saw her taking an apple after lunch had ended.
There was one guy that was running in the hallway after-hours between two different after school clubs to get information or something like that the other club’s teacher. He was talked to the next day about not being in the school after-hours unless he stayed with his club and that even if no one else was in the hall he shouldn’t run.
The security camera usage by staff seems like a much bigger invasion of privacy to me but trying to argue about it with anyone inevitably leads to discussions on gun violence because even people for gun control seem to think that the privacy invasion is “worth it in the mean time”.
It’s not really the detector that I have a problem with here, it’s the “reduce vaping incidents through social influence” part. Their plan (as I understand it) is to have a display outside the washroom to tell other kids that the person in the washroom is vaping and essentially get them to quit through public shaming, which is both cruel and ineffective. If the detector instead alerted teachers privately that there was someone vaping in the washroom then the teachers would deal with it appropriately, I think it could be okay.
My brother used to vape back in high school, and punishment never got him to stop, it just made him get more creative about how he hid it. When he eventually did quit after he graduated, he chose to because he knew it was harmful.
I think it is a bigger issue. I think the vaping companies need to be held liable for targeting under age kids.
I think long term the idea is to keep them from starting to begin with. That’s hard to do but getting it out of school will reduce the spread of the addiction. It definitely will be appreciated by the students who don’t vape and don’t want to smell or inhale it.
“what I thought you all had phones”
Nicotine is very bad for developing brains.
[Citation needed]
While I don’t disagree that kids shouldn’t be vaping, let’s at least stick to the realm of truth.
Source: uh, been alive for a few years.
I didn’t thinking that idea was still in dispute. There have been multiple studies in this area. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543069/
🎉 Exciting news!
Oh God, no!
Kids will vape at the sensors just to see them on the TV
new challenge, get your name on every bathroom vape moniter in 1 day
something original
OH ITS ORIGINAL FOR TECHBROS TO SELL MORE SURVEILLANCE
Man, there are a lot of fascists on Lemmy.
• Not an invasion of privacy.
• Activating a sprinkler would be a better deterrent than sending an alert to Simon.
