Fifa has suspended Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales from all football-related activities following his conduct at the Women’s World Cup final in Sydney
That’s an asinine, empty threat. The players clearly have public opinion on their side. All FIFA is doing is advertising how out of touch they are. FIFA is begging to be put in their place.
As you might reasonably have guessed, there is a long and sleazy history with Rubiales and Vilda. This is not blowing up out of nowhere.
…79 women’s football players who signed a letter in which they stated they would refuse to play for their country as long as Rubiales remained in his post.
How am I only learning about this now? It’s fucking awesome.
Anyway, the next step is to fire Rubiales. Will that happen?
Then you’ll love to know that the Spanish football federation threatened to sue them, because FIFA rules say players can’t refuse calls to the national team. Rubiales is only the tip of the iceberg, the entire federation is a glorified pigsty.
Hey, pigs are very nice creatures. Don’t be mean to pigs by comparing them to these asses.
Whee hoo, hold up ! asses are kind, gentle beings that deserve better than being equalled with those dicks.
s/dicks/cocks
Pretty sure some of the national men’s team have joined them as well.
Let’s not sugar coat this. It wasn’t a kiss, it was sexual assault. Don’t let these twats get away with this bullshit.
Isn’t that going a little far? Not defending the guy, it’s gross and super inappropriate. But a simple kiss is hardly sexual. Basically every child ever is kissed against their will by older relatives and nobody bats an eye.
Fire the guy, ban him from football for life, but does he need to be arrested? He’s not going around groping strangers. He just apparently does gross, stupid shit when he’s excited.
Fire the guy, ban him from football for life, but does he need to be arrested?
It is not up to you to decide. The Spanish law is pretty clear in this respect, and a non-consensual kiss is explicitly defined as sexual assault, period. And this is a very recent law that has been widely discussed and reported in media, so there is no chance that he didn’t know the legal consequences of his acts. He simply believed that his position of power would be enough to evade the legal consequences.
Please show me where Spanish criminal code defines what constitutes a kiss.
The law doesn’t even define sexual assault beyond “unwanted sexual conduct”. And again, a kiss is not inherently sexual.
Calling this sexual assault doesn’t help anyone, and actively harms victims of actual sexual violence.
You should join Luis Rubiales’ defense 🤷♂️
Calling this sexual assault doesn’t help anyone, and actively harms victims of actual sexual violence.
How so? This kind of argument doesn’t make sense to me - robbing a house is robbery, robbing a bank is still robbery. Unaliving an individual with a knife is murder, and unaliving an invididual by dangerous driving is still murder.
Each crime is looked at on a case by case basis in an ideal scenario - having the definition of one thing the same as another can not inherently harm victims affected by a higher severity of an identically named crime IMO
Well, let’s see how exactly it is that you feel when a man in a position of authority over you grabs you by the head and kisses you against your will. And I will have you know that neither of my children have ever been made to accept affection that they did not want because I learned from my upbringing, I didn’t just parrot it.
I was a Catholic altar boy. I assure you, I know the feeling.
Again, it’s gross and inappropriate, not sexual assault.
Except is exactly fits the legal definition of sexual assault.
legal definition
For what jurisdiction? There’s not one legal definition. Every country, and every state in the US, has their own definitions.
My state, for example, defines it as (paraphrasing) unwanted contact with intimate areas for the purpose of sexual gratification or humiliation, or to intentionally harm. It’s a bit subjective and open to interpretation, but there’s no way anyone would get convicted under this statute for a short, closed-mouth celebratory kiss.
Again, it’s assault, and it’s gross and inappropriate, but it doesn’t meet all the elements of sexual assault.
Why are you bringing up the US? This happened in Spain so that’s the only jurisdiction that matters
And guess what the Spanish criminal codes definition of sexual assault is? Unwanted sexual contact.
A kiss is not inherently sexual. Wtf do you people not understand.
Then your state has shitty laws. It’s sexual assault everywhere normal.
For what jurisdiction?
For one, the Spanish jurisdiction, that is the one that applies to this case. Arguing that other countries have backwards laws is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Right, show me where the Spanish criminal code explicitly defines a kiss as sexual contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault
Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person’s body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person’s consent.
The only person I ever kiss with both hands on their head is my wife, when I am being intimate with her.
in a sexual way,
Did you skip over this?
A kiss is not inherently sexual. Is a mother’s kiss incest? I have a picture of my nephews kissing, is that CP? Hell, dudes in some parts of the world kiss their friends, on the lips, as a greeting.
Gross and inappropriate conduct isn’t automatically sexual.
Yes it is.
He did not only kiss her - he also made remarks that he was gonna marry her next year in Ibiza and if I remember right something about a wedding night…
It was a sexual assault.
And btw: Kids should never be kissed against their will and it is not okay when older relatives do that. AT ALL
I actually don’t let anybody kiss my kids without permission, even relatives. Your body belongs to you alone and you don’t owe anyone a kiss. It shouldn’t be normal IMO.
This happened in my country and would be absolutely considered sexual assault by state laws. So whatever your feelings are on the matter, the fact of reality is that it’s sexual assault.
Basically every child ever is kissed against their will by older relatives and nobody bats an eye.
That is also assault, and the attitude that it’s ok because the victims are too young to understand bodily autonomy is disgusting regardless of how widespread it is.
Did I say it was ok? That’s gross and inappropriate in my opinion, too. But it still happens and nobody cares. And yeah, it could be considered assault. But it’s not sexual.
I bat an eye. I think it’s creepy as fuck when adults don’t respect children’s personal space
This guy being a selfproclaimed ‘victim of feminism’, gtfo.
selfproclaimed ‘victim of feminism’
the only kind there is…
If you are a victim of a progressive movement to get people more rights and respect then you are admitting you are an oppressor that’s been overthrown.
I’ve been elated a few times in life but never felt the need to grab a man or woman and kiss on the lips.
Such a weak excuse.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The president of the Spanish FA, Luis Rubiales, has been provisionally suspended by Fifa following his conduct at the Women’s World Cup final in Sydney last weekend.
Rubiales has refused to resign from his post after kissing Jenni Hermoso – who has stressed she did not consent – on the lips, prompting Fifa to step in.
“This suspension, which will be effective as of today, is for an initial period of 90 days, pending the disciplinary proceedings opened against Mr. Luis Rubiales on Thursday, August 24.
“Likewise, the chairman of the Fifa Disciplinary Committee and in order to preserve, among other factors, the fundamental rights of the national soccer team player Ms. Jennifer Hermoso and the good order of the disciplinary proceedings before this disciplinary body, has issued two additional directives (article 7 FDC) by which he orders Mr. Luis Rubiales to refrain, through himself or third parties, from contacting or attempting to contact the professional player of the Spanish national football team Ms. Jennifer Hermoso or her close environment.
Likewise, the RFEF and its officials or employees, directly or through third parties, are ordered to refrain from contacting the professional player of the Spanish national team Ms. Jennifer Hermoso and her close environment.
“The decision adopted by the chairman of the Fifa Disciplinary Committee has been communicated today to Mr Luis Rubiales, the RFEF and Uefa for due compliance.”
The original article contains 324 words, the summary contains 230 words. Saved 29%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Would the Australian (NSW) laws apply here because that’s where it happened? They updated their sexual consent laws not long ago and their easy reader is pretty clear that a kiss is considered part of that. Not sure how it would be charged under the criminal code: https://dcj.nsw.gov.au/documents/children-and-families/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/domestic-and-sexual-violence-hotlines/dcj_easy_read_sexual_consent_digital_accessible.pdf
I was thinking about this as well. It technically happened in a workplace so I’m also wondering if Australian workplace laws apply here.
I thought that as well. She should have been encouraged to report him to the coppers -would have been funny if they did prevent him from leaving as they do for much smaller infractions sometimes.
I mean, to be fair to FIFA (did I just type that?) they have suspended him: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/26/fifa-suspends-luis-rubiales-from-all-football-related-activity-over-hermoso-kiss
EDIT - ha, forgot what thread I was on and didn’t realise I’d just shared the OP link! Oh well
It’s the Spanish FA who need to step up though, they’re making absolute fools of themselves.
What a shitshow.
El Fifa menos acosador. Lol
You’re all insane.
Alright fine. I’m in. Shall we just kill him?
