It all started with the unofficial godot discord admin dealing with some chuds and people turning their ire towards the Godot Foundation staff instead.
Since Godot has stubbornly remained on the Xitter nazi bar as a valid space for PR and social media interaction and dared to promote the Wokot hashtag and reiterate their progessiveness, the reactionaries infesting that space are now piling on their socials and harassing everyone they can get their eyes on.
Examples
- https://x.com/LifeArtStudios/status/1840230152254509067
- https://x.com/Grummz/status/1840162056928145740
- https://x.com/madewithgodot/status/1841118786964840618
Anyway, solidarity with the targets of harassment. I hope they finally realize that Xitter is a lost cause.
Update: Godot is being review-bombed
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
more attention for a cool floss game engine, I don’t see this as too bad
Why do we need a game engine just for one dance or dental hygiene activity. Seems oddly specific to two very different tasks.
feature creep
Grrrr!! I hate WOKE! 😡😡 /s
Twitter blows ass and if they hate you you’re probably right.
Not guaranteed. But a solid bet.
That’s a great way to look at it. You’re probably spot on.
I stand in solidarity with Godot.
I long for the days when people didn’t call any concept they disagreed with “political.”
Oh so you’re a conservative!
/s
Open source software is the wokest shit possible… It’s pretty much digital communism run by the gayest furries you’ll ever meet.
It kinda depends on the license. Copyleft licenses are definitely digital communism–but licenses like CC or other extremely permissive licenses are digital libertarianism. I’m good with it in any case.
cc-by-sa is copyleft
I bookmarked this comment. It’s beautiful
I can’t tell if you intent this as a positive or a negative, but it very much an accurate assessment.
Positive. I love FOSS culture, for the most part.
Love the communist gay furry part of it, the digital part not so much.
Why would you think it was negative? My only guess would be the way Leninists like to cosplay as Communists. And the way the west likes to smear communists by associating them with leninists.
But there comes Brian Lundurke with his “um ackchually, if it were digital communism the state would be forcing you to make it open source, capitalism is when small state”.
Left libertarianism is a thing too! One difference is employee ownership of companies as opposed to state or private ownership of companies.
I know, I’m a left-libertarian, but people that are dumb for politics and think left=authoritarianism right=liberty.
With programming socks 🧦
Anyway love OSS ❤️
Nice to see some figures on the change in support levels. I was donating €5 a month and I’ve bumped it up to €50 for the next few months.
I get the impression that a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is, it’s just the reactionary pile-on du jour.
The flagbearer is ofc grummz, the terminally online ex-gamedev chud who turned to shit every game he touched and has had his right-wing grifting platform on Xitter massively boosted in recent years.
I don’t know shit about the situation (I don’t use twitter), but not being on the same side as Mark “Physiognomy” Kern seems like the right call.
This is evident in a few ways:
- How they subtly or glaringly misunderstand what it is and what it does
- How they call it “a company”
- How they pronounce it as GO-DOT
I’m new here, and I’ve been calling it “go-dot”. What’s the correct pronunciation?
@overcast5348 @moormaan The correct pronounciation is “Guh-Doh” or “Go-Doh”. Honestly, a lot of people pronounce it Go-dot, so it isn’t a big deal. But it is based of the play “Waiting for Godot” where they usually pronounce it like I have mentioned.
Unsurprisingly most gamedevs, at least the ones that make good games, are either minorities themselves, or positive to their/our plight
After all, the best art isn’t made by the people who enshrine conservative ideals
a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is
You’re probably right. Homophobes aren’t the brightest of the bunch.
… since when did the project have customers lol?
is a service or product receiver only a customer if they are paying money?
I wouldn’t say it has to be money. Just that it has to be a formal exchange. I’d say the open source donation model is more “informal”.
I guess technically businesses like Microsoft were customers; I think there was something about them paying Godot to support C#.
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I feel like it’s important to note that eating, breathing, and having a fun time with friends are all very LGBTQ+ activities! #woke
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
That’s good I suppose.
I don’t care what happens on Twitter. Just so long as the codebase isn’t negatively affected.
I have been seeing some drama YouTubers, who are clearly blowing this out of proportion, talk a lot about this. One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
There shouldn’t be any way the MIT license can discriminate between “woke” and “anti-woke”. Godot can be used by everyone. This is just making the drama people lose their credibility. Regardless of what the devs views on this situation are, I could never expect them to come to a decision on this issue so quickly. Let alone act on it. Their main priority should be the code, not the community. Unofficial communities can pop up on their own and self govern.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
I’m a bit 50/50 on that. If they got kinda harassed to the point where they take a simple stance as they did, then saying “please stop being political” is often used as a thin veiled attempt to say “I don’t like your politics” by the people who get so hard triggered by that term, and women, and LGBT stuff, and people of color, etc.
We can see this all the time in other areas too, especially gaming. As soon as a game has a female main character, or even a female main character that isn’t white, or even one that is lesbian or bi, then uppercase Gamers collectively lose their shit. Say something about Nazis? Or Russia? “HoW DaRe YoU BrInG PoLiTiCs InTo MY GaMes!” …
Not saying that was the guy’s intend when he replied that to Godot, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such when they get brigaded by a bunch of toxic replies.
This never crossed my mind, but you are right. Online interactions do lack a lot of context, and it must have been hard (or practically impossible) to discern genuine from malicious calls to remain apolitical in a situation of intense online harassment.
That’s why it’s considered good practice to act on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
You’re fully entitled to use Godot if you’re an asshole.
You’re not inherently entitled to interact with their development process or get their help, etc. They aren’t obligated to deal with bullshit to run an open source project.
One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
They’ve addressed that:
We unequivocally condemn this abuse. The volume of negative engagement overwhelmed our moderation efforts. While attempting to protect the Godot community we mistakenly blocked individuals who were not participating in the harassment. The Godot Foundation Board takes full responsibility for these moderation actions. If you believe you were blocked in error and have not violated our Code of Conduct, please contact us with the form linked below. We are committed to swiftly rectifying any mistakes. We firmly stand by our mission to keep our community spaces free from hate, discrimination, and other toxic behaviors. - The Godot Foundation Board
And there have been 5 people banned from GitHub due to racist and homophobic slurs, which violates Godot CoC and GH ToS.
I don’t think these users were providing valid criticism. Never mind the fact that GH issues are not really the place to complain about some twitter drama.
I am begging you to stop giving credit to drama youtubers, they do not care about the facts and are only in it to farm views.
Oh. Ok. Thank you.
It was just a tweet… And then they say that the “wokes” are the hypersensitive snowflakes?
It’s always projection.
Let the fascist idiots stay with predatory tech like Unity. Fuck 'em all. Conservatives make shit games; they can stick with shit middleware.
Fascist usually can’t make games. Best they can do is either some mod, or a kusoge that only has some recognition thanks to it was in a country where English education wasn’t very good thus it was among the few easily accessible game for some.
If you get political, people will react 🤷♂️
Treating everyone like human beings is not political. It’s common decency.
Homobia, transphobia and racism are not political ideas.
As you can see by the abuse they are now getting this is just shit people being shit.
And even if this was political abusing workers for a company’s political stance is also not a sane way to react.
Unfortunately it is, and the way you think humans should react isn’t actually how they do.
No it’s literally not. Being a bigot is not a political view.
Politicians may use it to get votes from bigots.
But hating black or gay people is not a valid political stance.
The notion that you group a race people (or in fact any large group) by any characteristics has been scientifically disproven. There is no evidence to support that stance it is simply stupidity and/or hate. Often stemming from a lack of understanding of genetics or a general lack of understanding the wider world.
It is also how they should react if they were a decent person. My point is they are not. They are in fact cunts.
Tbh I’m not sure what your examples are supposed to demonstrate. Blocking someone for saying they should focus on the engine and not politics is astonishingly thin skinned
Kind of hard to follow the thread of most of this but they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are by blocking people who even slightly disagree with them.
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
‘Xitter’ is pronounced ‘Shitter’ and is common a playful joke
Ah I see. I would pronounce it “Zitter” but fair enough. I guess if you’re Chinese?
English doesn’t really have a well defined way to write down the “zjush” from the “su” in pleasure.
The most accepted ways are “zh” or “x” in English, or
ʒin IPA.Since most people call it twitter, and Elon want to call it x, so people push them together to make xitter, because it sounds like “shitter” (the crude term for toilet) and because the quality of twitter has declined dramatically to the point that it resembles an unclean toilet.
Interesting. I think zjitter would be the closest I would intuitively pronounce that way.
I don’t really know anything about the quality of X but I think resorting to name calling is insanely. (Some with Micro$oft etc. - haven’t seen that one for a while!)
astonishingly thin skin
Could be that, but remember that all skin can be damaged. If you’ve been badly burned then maybe it’s best to keep the environment sterile. “Focus on the engine and not politics” can be the conclusion of people with merely a simple goal of a good game engine, but suppose that it can also be argued for with a goal of harming minorities by silencing them due to hate/fear.
@tabular @FizzyOrange would hardly even call blocking people for saying, mind you in a thread literally only asking people to post their inclusive games, that they are going to post the most offensive, racist things they can find (their words, not mine)…“thin skinned”
the nazi bar sure can twist a narrative though :/
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
Same energy
This has nothing to do with Musk. Honestly these kinds of dismissive comments just make everyone else seem more reasonable.
It’s “Xitter”. “X” is nonsense.
You can’t just start calling yourself “X” and decide the word cisgender is a slur now and not expect people to laugh in your face.
It’s not Xitter. I don’t understand why you think it is. I don’t know what your cisgender comment is talking about.
they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are
Why do you think that they need to be doing this?
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing? (Even if people disagree about what counts as woke.)
If you want to take your emotions out of it, remember “political correctness gone mad”? That’s basically the 90s “woke” and nobody would aspire to it.
Ah, so you don’t actually know what you’re talking about! The word “woke” has turned into a toxic term used by the generally hateful to describe anything they don’t agree with socially (aka heteronormative white male). It’s pretty obvious when you look at most the people using the term negatively.
There’s no shame in not knowing something and you’ve got a bit of learning to catch up on, good luck!
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing?
No. Being woke is only considered bad in toxic echo chambers where they’ve tried to poison the word.
Most people who self report as “anti-woke” repeat infectious and carefully crafted but fallacious talking points whenever the term “woke” is said.
But if you bring up a situation where a minority is getting the bad end of the stick and they agree with you that it’s bad, they don’t realise that they themselves are being woke. They agree with being woke so long as the label “woke” isn’t used. It’s when you point that out that they start to realise that they’ve been poisoned against the term.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
If you accept the general fact that women tend to get paid less for the same amount of work, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that black people might not get hired if a person doing the hiring is racist, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that some people have to hide the fact that they’re not heterosexual in some countries otherwise they’ll suffer the death penalty, then you’re woke.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means. Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition:
Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.
Irrespective of whether or not anyone actually is woke, I hope you agree that it wouldn’t be a good thing (according to that definition).
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means.
That’s exactly what I pointed out. The people who provide them their information are actively trying to poison the word to the point that it means something else. But it doesn’t, because the poisoning only works in the echo chambers that spread that information.
Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition: […]
That would be one of the attempts to poison the word. It’s worth pointing out that anyone can add a definition to urban dictionary and it’s quite often that trolls try to overwhelm existing definitions on there.
[…] (according to that definition).
That comes back to what I said before. People who self report as anti-woke are against anything that uses the label “woke”, until they look at what’s under the label and they realise they aren’t against any of the points the “woke” labelled thing is doing.
They’re not actually anti-woke, they’re anti-incorrect-label.
I think you’re in your own echo chamber. It’s not an attempt to poison the word, that’s just how its meaning has gradually evolved.
If you ask the general public - not far left people on Twitter - I think they would be more likely to agree with the definition I linked rather than the original definition (you have "woke"n up to social injustice, which is obviously a good thing).
(I’ll except the “perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm” bit - I think that is veering into the far right rather than what the man on the Clapham omnibus actually thinks.)
Xitter is simply short for “Elon Musk’s X, formerly known as Twitter, currently known as dumpster fire”
Woke is interestingly becoming a word that can easily trigger and be used to troll conservatives.
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
IMHO, you are woke if you exclude/damage who does not think exactly like you, and later also who thinks like you but he/she is not excluding/damaging the people you put in the black-list.
So it is a rather toxic and dangerous movement, resembling a little the Reign of Terror in France.
Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to be used as slang for a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights
What are you on about?
@mzan @Grandwolf319 So…The KKK is woke by your definition?
The definition was incomplete and a provocation. KKK acted in the name of white supremacy, while woke acts in the name of Social Justice. Obviously woke culture is a lot lot lot less violent of KKK. KKK were criminals. With woke culture at maximum you will do some years in prison due to false accusations, because you should “believe all women”, or you will loose the job, and you will never find similar jobs, for some nasty comment you done on some platform when you were a teenager… It can be compared also to McCarthyism.
In any case, the negative part of woke culture is the fanatism. Without the fanatism aspect, I will call a woke, an activist into social justice themes. I like activists. I’m scared from fanatics.
Oh, here comes the enlightened centrist! 🤣🤣🤣
So… You have no clue what the word means
We already have a word for that, it’s called tribalism.
Comparing woke to the reign of terror is a fucking mood buddy
Bobby Fingers has the best definition of “woke,” one that I feel all can agree with, even if they are dismayed by the quality of his dashboards.
I woke up this morning.
Angry fascist noises
That’s good and all…
But how do you pronounce Wokot?
Is it wuh-ko?
Maybe Woke-o?I MUST KNOW
@yetAnotherUser @db0 I have to assume, despite the spelling, that it is pronounced Whacko…Not even as a diss, just would find it incredibly amusing. “And dot” is right there too! idk.
