- cross-posted to:
- news@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- news@beehaw.org
Ice cream brand Ben & Jerry’s said in a lawsuit filed Wednesday that parent company Unilever has silenced its attempts to express support for Palestinian refugees, and threatened to dismantle its board and sue its members over the issue.
The lawsuit is the latest sign of the long-simmering tensions between Ben & Jerry’s and consumer products maker Unilever. A rift erupted between the two in 2021 after Ben & Jerry’s said it would stop selling its products in the Israeli-occupied West Bank because it was inconsistent with its values, a move that led some to divest Unilever shares.
The ice cream maker then sued Unilever for selling its business in Israel to its licensee there, which allowed marketing in the West Bank and Israel to continue. That lawsuit was settled in 2022.
things just got exponentially worse for everyone on the planet who isn’t a billionaire, but anyway let’s talk about ice cream company’s problems
Reducto ad absurdum
This is no time for casting spells.
Reducto ad absurdum is not a logical fallacy if that’s what you’re getting at. It’s a very important logical tool that happens to be a Latin phrase with a similar cadence to Latin names of logical fallacies. People on the Internet mess this up all the time, and it’s become a pet peeve of mine.
I don’t think OP is right–there’s lots of different layers to issues like this that can be explored–but not because of that.
Not inherently, no, but it is when used fallaciously. Like in this case.
Just like deliberate hyperbole is not a fallacy when used skillfully and transparently to underscore a point, it’s the context and the delivery that decides whether something is a valid reducto ad absurdum argument or a reducto ad absurdum fallacy.
In case you forgot when I was elaborating: this is a case of the latter.
Yeah, you’re doing it right now.
You’re sorta right about that: the way they expressed their wrongheaded opinion isn’t the cause of them being wrong, merely a symptom.
After reading this comment and the article, I feel there is actually some perspective hidden here that may need addressing.
While a million dollars to most of us seems unobtainable, a billion dollars is still unobtainable to most millionaires. It’s 1000x or 3 factors of 10 or however you wish to look at it. Huge difference. Nobody if offered either a million or a billion dollars would say there’s no substantial difference.
Google tells me Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield are worth about $150 million each. That’s a hell of a lot of money to be sure.
Current market cap on Unilever is around $144 billion. One thousand times more than either Ben or Jerry.
When we’re in a time where some are starting to say even a million dollars is no longer a guaranteed good retirement savings, and when people with 150x that much are being silenced, maybe we also need to update our thoughts on the ongoing class warfare around the world.
While most of us here have different realities than Ben and Jerry, their lives are drifting closer to ours than they are for the billionaire class. To me, that is a bit scary to think of. That’s concentration of power to a much smaller group. About 1.1% of the world population, 59.4 million people, are millionaires, there are less than 3000 billionaires.
When division is what is keeping us fighting each other instead of focusing on who is really calling the shots, I feel this is an important distinction to consider. Maybe getting pissed at millionaires has now become futile. The upside is it is easier to focus on 3000 people than 60 million. That isnt to say millionaires are also an issue, but it may no longer be the most pressing one.
Open to your thoughts, I just think these numbers are pretty staggering.
Oh really, how? I certainly haven’t heard almost nothing but that news for the past few months. Oh shit it’s only been a few days, it’s going to be a long fucking four years isn’t it.
Anyway my point is it’s ok to have a little other news, you know, as a treat. Kind of like how you should be having ice cream.
Also, no one person should get to dictate what news is relevant.
Someone who actually works for Unilever or is a Unilever supplier might not know about this and find it very relevant.
It’s news to me and I’m also upset now that Ben& Jerry’s traditionally a fantastically protest full brand is being stopped in this one way. And also I didn’t know that they were the Unilever brand, so that’s new to me
Exactly. I think it’s silly to assume people understand something just because you think everyone knows or it’s obvious.
Not everyone knows and it’s not always obvious.
How very 2024 that even these little other ice cream news are indirectly about the genocide in Gaza.
For the US, definitely… But the rest of the world doesn’t just stop happening because Donald Trump got elected.
What do you mean rest of the world? There is only one that matters. bald eagle sounds assault rifles firing incoherent chanting in background
Palestine, Ukraine, and Taiwan might stop happening.
Yes. And this story is indirectly related to one of those. Trump’s 2nd Term will definitely have knock-on effects to the rest of the world, but it isn’t like the rest of the world stops.
It’s like back in the Covid Lockdowns - it’s not like every other disease took time off because of Covid being in the zeitgeist.