Nope, I’m very lucid. If you haven’t seen people’s reaction to “raging feminism” then you haven’t been paying attention. Most people who are already on your side will give you a “yassss gurl”, but most people who aren’t already on your side will react by moving in the opposite direction.
To reiterate, i specifically said that the “doing nothing” side of the dial is wrong too. Be a strong advocate, but don’t try to “burn it all down”, because that’ll cause the opposite effect of what you’re trying to achieve
Wow, perfect way to EXACTLY demonstrate my point. By totally and completely making an offensive bullshit false analogy about what I said, that makes me want to attack you back in response. But I believe “staunch advocacy” is most effective, so I won’t do that
“All men are fucking douchebags and should die” -> “if they already think I’m a douchebag and the other side will be nice to me…”
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that that’s an extreme but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen either. I’m not saying I agree really with either side and “turning down the feminism” is a kinda weird thing to say to your student but I have heard multiple different times of someone who saw how much they seemed to be hated and drifted to the right as they were accepted there (even if for the wrong reasons).
That’s true but if they are often confused even within their own circles, the type of men who would drift to the right from it are also unlikely to know the difference
Instead of complaining that feminists speak out, why not call out the actual problem: the misogynists? Be a “staunch advocate” and have the conversations that women can’t.
So accurate, though I dare say they’re even more pathetic - "I was hateful and abusive to you, but you spoke up and demanded I stop, which hurt my feelings, that’s why I voted for Hitler. It’s your fault.”
Because the only people drifting further in to bigotry “because” those they’re bigoted against stand up for themselves, were already bigots to begin with. They’re just critically aware (though they’ll never admit it) of just how much privilege they actually have, and find the idea of having that challenged, never mind being equal and equitable to everyone else, completely unacceptable and even repulsive, but mostly terrified (because the only way they can fathom it going is that they will be treated under feminism the same way they treat us under the patriarchy) and they will invest everything they have in to maintaining the oppressive structures that serve them.
Are you fucking high?!
Radical, illogical levels of misogyny are not an altered state of consciousness. Evil is mundane.
Nope, I’m very lucid. If you haven’t seen people’s reaction to “raging feminism” then you haven’t been paying attention. Most people who are already on your side will give you a “yassss gurl”, but most people who aren’t already on your side will react by moving in the opposite direction.
To reiterate, i specifically said that the “doing nothing” side of the dial is wrong too. Be a strong advocate, but don’t try to “burn it all down”, because that’ll cause the opposite effect of what you’re trying to achieve
Is that reaction actually increasing the misogyny though? I kinda expect it’s just bringing out into the open what is already there tbh
It’s definitely causing more misogyny. When people feel like you’re attacking them, it makes them attack you back
“This rape would be going a lot better for you if you’d just stop struggling so much!”
Wow, perfect way to EXACTLY demonstrate my point. By totally and completely making an offensive bullshit false analogy about what I said, that makes me want to attack you back in response. But I believe “staunch advocacy” is most effective, so I won’t do that
Imagine getting triggered by women not wanting to be assaulted
“All men are fucking douchebags and should die” -> “if they already think I’m a douchebag and the other side will be nice to me…”
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that that’s an extreme but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen either. I’m not saying I agree really with either side and “turning down the feminism” is a kinda weird thing to say to your student but I have heard multiple different times of someone who saw how much they seemed to be hated and drifted to the right as they were accepted there (even if for the wrong reasons).
I don’t think it’s feminism at that point. It’s misandry. I know many women who don’t understand the difference, but they’re not the same.
That’s true but if they are often confused even within their own circles, the type of men who would drift to the right from it are also unlikely to know the difference
And we can see plenty of men here who are told what the difference is and ignore it to pursue their grievance.
exactly exactly exactly
Immediately jumping to a rape analogy isn’t fair or apt, you can always make someone else’s argument appear dumb when you jump to an EXTREME
How dare I follow their argument to its logical conclusion
That’s why beacon comments were dumb from the beginning I guess.
Instead of complaining that feminists speak out, why not call out the actual problem: the misogynists? Be a “staunch advocate” and have the conversations that women can’t.
“you spoke mean and hurt my feelings, that’s why I voted for Hitler. It’s your fault.”
So accurate, though I dare say they’re even more pathetic - "I was hateful and abusive to you, but you spoke up and demanded I stop, which hurt my feelings, that’s why I voted for Hitler. It’s your fault.”
Because the only people drifting further in to bigotry “because” those they’re bigoted against stand up for themselves, were already bigots to begin with. They’re just critically aware (though they’ll never admit it) of just how much privilege they actually have, and find the idea of having that challenged, never mind being equal and equitable to everyone else, completely unacceptable and even repulsive, but mostly terrified (because the only way they can fathom it going is that they will be treated under feminism the same way they treat us under the patriarchy) and they will invest everything they have in to maintaining the oppressive structures that serve them.