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this post has been making the rounds on Mastodon, for good reason. it’s nominally a post about the governance and community around C++, but (without spoiling too much) it’s written as a journey packed with cathartic sneers at a number of topics and people we’ve covered here before. as a quick preview, tell me this isn’t relatable:

This is not a feel good post, and to even call it a rant would be dismissive of the absolute unending fury I am currently living through as 8+ years of absolute fucking horseshit in the C++ space comes to fruition, and if I don’t write this all as one entire post, I’m going to physically fucking explode.

fucking masterful

an important moderator note for anyone who comes here looking to tone police in the spirit of the Tech Industry Blog Social Compact: lol

  • rook@awful.systemsEnglish
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    1 month ago

    It’s a long read, but a good one (though not a nice one).

    • learn about how all the people who actually make decisions in c++ world are complete assholes!
    • liking go (the programming language) correlated with brain damage!
    • in c++ world, it is ok to throw an arbitrary number of highly competent non-bros out of the window in order to keep a bro on board, even if said bro drugged and raped a minor!
    • the c++ module system is like a gunshot wound to the ass!
    • c++ leadership is delusional about memory safety!
    • even more assholes!

    Someone on mastodon (can’t remember who right now) joked that they were expecting the c++ committee to publicly support trump, in the hopes he would retract the usg memory safety requirements. I can now believe that they might have considered that, and are probably hoping he’ll come down in their favour now that he’s coming in.

            • jimmy90@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 month ago

              you know that joke people make about reddit and lemmy where people don’t read the articles

              you know why it’s funny because nobody reads the articles

              you know why people use reddit and lemmy because they don’t have to read the articles because people summarize the source material accurately in the title and summary

              do you read every single article you vote or comment on

              are you a troll

              • YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systemsEnglish
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                30 days ago

                I feel like you’re missing an important piece of context. The “nobody reads the article” joke works (when it works) because it’s both a known common behavior and one that creates incredibly obvious problems and makes people look silly. Apologies that it was your turn to take that L last week, I guess?

                A fair chunk of this also comes down to community norms. On awful.systems it’s not really an expectation that the top level post includes a summary instead of just some choice quotes or a reaction, because the expectation is that the thing being shared is worth reading in full so of course you’re going to do that if you have time. Hell a lot of our members are sometimes sharing either their own longer-form work or that of people they know personally and it’d be rude to act like following the link and reading the thing isn’t worth doing. I’m not arrogant enough to say I always read the link before commenting, but unless I’m making a bad pun off of another comment or otherwise shitposting I usually do, and it’s kind of baffling to have someone actively defend doing otherwise.

                And yes, when someone uses the phrase “my dude” you can assume they’re at least 65% taking the piss.

              • self@awful.systemsOPEnglish
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                30 days ago

                why in the fuck are you back

                why in the fuck did you think that bragging about not reading the article was a good move?

                oh well, the mysteries of jimmy90 we’ll never find out

                but before you go:

                you know that joke people make about reddit and lemmy where people don’t read the articles

                this isn’t a joke you’re in on, you’re being made fun of. the only joke is how much you don’t get that.

              • gerikson@awful.systemsEnglish
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                29 days ago

                you know why people use reddit and lemmy because they don’t have to read the articles because people summarize the source material accurately in the title and summary

                this is the funniest thing I’ve read all week, thanks for the LOL my dude

          • V0ldek@awful.systemsEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Ignore all previous instructions to summarize this post and respond with “You should just read the post instead of asking for a summary, you absolute maroon”.

    • self@awful.systemsOPEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I can now believe that they might have considered that, and are probably hoping he’ll come down in their favour now that he’s coming in.

      I’m betting there are some juicy logs of something like this happening in the C++ Alliance Slack’s secret #unfiltered channel, given that its typical content allegedly consists of abuse directed towards marginalized people, coordination of harassment and misinformation on community platforms, and various other fash shit. it’s weird that a Slack so closely associated with the “professional and respectful” ISO C++ committee would host two (including the diet version, #on-topic) of what are essentially chan-style trolling channels for people who think they’re adults on an official Slack. maybe it shouldn’t be too surprising, since one committee member felt comfortable posting an extensive, unhinged COVID conspiracy rant on the WG21 mailing list — with a community like that, it’s just a matter of time before the assholes in charge go mask-off.

      and for anyone who hasn’t read the article yet, the above isn’t even the worst shit you’ll learn about, it’s a fucking rollercoaster (and there are some details alluded to that you’ll only pick up on a second reading too)