Hmmm. The author of the article has a PhD in environmental history, so a social science. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s not actual hard science. Where people research and develop novel things.
I don’t want to blow smoke anywhere near any asses. But does that article site one primary literature source? They’re all articles or if it’s an actual paper, it’s an opinion piece. I’m not going through all of them because it reads like some crazy uncle on a conspiracy theory rant.
Are you a scientist? I know what I’m talking about, although I’m afraid you’re not.
There’s an actual journal article (I know it’s only Nature scientific reports, but it’s a valid reference). I know it doesn’t explicitly state it’s not toxic, but:
“Thus, based on the evidence available on the topic, it is not possible to state neither any association or the lack of an association between F exposure and any neurological disorder.”
Taken straight from their conclusion.
Obviously there’s many more sources, and again, I’m happy to provide you with some of you’d like to enhance your knowledge on the subject.
Fluoride is safe topically and ineffective when introduced to our water supply. It is not some giant conspiracy, just a practice that is no longer necessary and unsafe because the industrial waste fluoride that is used is contaminated. Please save me the appeal to authority nonsense.
Edit: if it’s As and Pb, both (among many other things) are closely monitored in any city water supply (and also occur naturally) to ensure there is little to none.
I can (and I’m sure you can as well) look up exactly the levels of contaminants allowed in your drinking water if it’s coming from a plant.
If it’s another element(s) or compound(s), I’m quite interested to know what they may be.
Also as per my last reply, are you a scientist of any kind?
Did you not read where the fluoride comes from? The smokestack scrubbers have heavy metals and other contaminates. There is no processing to purify it so it is contaminated.
Perhaps you could argue there is not enough contaminates to cause a problem, but that does not change the fact you are dumping pollutants into the water supply under the guise of public health.
Even if they dumped pharmeucutical grade fluoride into the water it would likely not be effective unless the population has no access to tooth paste or dental care. Not to mention people with kidney problems should not have any fluoride at all.
The implications of treating people with a medication without their approval is also problematic. Many nations throughout Europe do not use fluoride in their water supply. Their tooth decay is not higher because of it.
So like I was saying, this is not a conspiracy. It is proven fact. It is something that should be sunsetted and fertilizer plants should start treating their waste instead of dumping it in our water supply.
Well firstly, you did not provide any specific contaminants. You did mention heavy metals, which are inherently in normal ground water. They are also controlled, as I mentioned in my last post.
Can you provide a source that states there’s no processing of “it”? Can you also state what exactly “it” is? NaF, HF, SiCl4, or something else?
Also, for the third time, are you some sort of scientist? Especially one who would have knowledge of actual chemistry?
If I don’t get at least somewhat of a semblance of intelligence in your reply, this is over, and you should really try to accept people trying to educate you on topics you clearly don’t know.
As I’ve said at least a couple times, I’d be happy to provide multiple sources proving F- in water is safe. I will even help walk you through these sources. I’m all for educating people.
So, please don’t reply with some stupid shit stated in that shitpost of an article you linked.
I’m genuinely trying to help/educate. So please take me up on the offer if you would like to.
Cmon, at least get the byproducts main source correct in your propaganda comment!
It is a fact, look it up.
https://origins.osu.edu/article/toxic-treatment-fluorides-transformation-industrial-waste-public-health-miracle
You were joking right?
If that’s actually your idea of a valid source, and you’re not just trolling…I feel so sorry for you.
That article is just not correct. I can’t even begin to point out all the flaws in it.
Everything is accurate and sourced so don’t bother blowing smoke up my ass anymore.
The only flaw here is someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about about trying the defend a stupid practice.
Hmmm. The author of the article has a PhD in environmental history, so a social science. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s not actual hard science. Where people research and develop novel things.
I don’t want to blow smoke anywhere near any asses. But does that article site one primary literature source? They’re all articles or if it’s an actual paper, it’s an opinion piece. I’m not going through all of them because it reads like some crazy uncle on a conspiracy theory rant.
Are you a scientist? I know what I’m talking about, although I’m afraid you’re not.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-99688-w
There’s an actual journal article (I know it’s only Nature scientific reports, but it’s a valid reference). I know it doesn’t explicitly state it’s not toxic, but:
“Thus, based on the evidence available on the topic, it is not possible to state neither any association or the lack of an association between F exposure and any neurological disorder.”
Taken straight from their conclusion.
Obviously there’s many more sources, and again, I’m happy to provide you with some of you’d like to enhance your knowledge on the subject.
Fluoride is safe topically and ineffective when introduced to our water supply. It is not some giant conspiracy, just a practice that is no longer necessary and unsafe because the industrial waste fluoride that is used is contaminated. Please save me the appeal to authority nonsense.
Contaminated with what exactly?
Edit: if it’s As and Pb, both (among many other things) are closely monitored in any city water supply (and also occur naturally) to ensure there is little to none.
I can (and I’m sure you can as well) look up exactly the levels of contaminants allowed in your drinking water if it’s coming from a plant.
If it’s another element(s) or compound(s), I’m quite interested to know what they may be.
Also as per my last reply, are you a scientist of any kind?
Did you not read where the fluoride comes from? The smokestack scrubbers have heavy metals and other contaminates. There is no processing to purify it so it is contaminated.
Perhaps you could argue there is not enough contaminates to cause a problem, but that does not change the fact you are dumping pollutants into the water supply under the guise of public health.
Even if they dumped pharmeucutical grade fluoride into the water it would likely not be effective unless the population has no access to tooth paste or dental care. Not to mention people with kidney problems should not have any fluoride at all.
The implications of treating people with a medication without their approval is also problematic. Many nations throughout Europe do not use fluoride in their water supply. Their tooth decay is not higher because of it.
So like I was saying, this is not a conspiracy. It is proven fact. It is something that should be sunsetted and fertilizer plants should start treating their waste instead of dumping it in our water supply.
Well firstly, you did not provide any specific contaminants. You did mention heavy metals, which are inherently in normal ground water. They are also controlled, as I mentioned in my last post.
Can you provide a source that states there’s no processing of “it”? Can you also state what exactly “it” is? NaF, HF, SiCl4, or something else?
Also, for the third time, are you some sort of scientist? Especially one who would have knowledge of actual chemistry?
If I don’t get at least somewhat of a semblance of intelligence in your reply, this is over, and you should really try to accept people trying to educate you on topics you clearly don’t know.
As I’ve said at least a couple times, I’d be happy to provide multiple sources proving F- in water is safe. I will even help walk you through these sources. I’m all for educating people.
So, please don’t reply with some stupid shit stated in that shitpost of an article you linked.
I’m genuinely trying to help/educate. So please take me up on the offer if you would like to.