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Don’t give me hope RFK. Like you’re really gonna legalize psychedelics for therapy.
It would suck for the rubes who can be fooled into taking poison, but it would be kinda based if RFK just legalized everything. Reality might turn to shit, but at least we can get high however we want!
I wonder how hard it will be to tell the good stuff from the poison. Depending on just how unregulated they go, labels might not even match contents.
Probably easier than now considering the decrease in stigma and increased impetus for testing as well as elimination of the black market.
I’m not even talking about the fun drugs, but things like a bottle of vitamin supplements, over the counter, or prescription medication. Sure, you can test a batch, but will that mean testing one pill out of each bottle? Or could consistency drop enough that one pill might not say much about the others in the bottle?
Will testing resources get stretched to the point where many won’t be able to afford them if we’ll need to test each bottle of pills we buy to make sure the producer didn’t just stick a nice label on lead pills to make a quick buck and disappear in the night before the fallout?
That was the context of this conversation though. The original comment was about legalizing/decriminalization of psychs, and the reply that you originally responded to was about legalizing (one would assume based on the subject matter) other recreational drugs.
I doubt that. Erasing stigma is an important step in researching these drugs. Reclassification so that they are accessable for research is another. However, proper regulation is required so that you know what you’re getting and in the right dosage. The incoming administration want more deregulation. That will mean that quality of supply will be less reliable.
We are still dealing with increaing outbreaks of foodborne illness because of deregulation from the last Trump government. And this affects more than just Americans. I’m in Canada, but because we import food from the US, we are also exposed to these illnesses. My immunocompromised sister had a bout of listeria from food that she should have been able to trust. (I can’t remember which food at the moment). I still have granola bars in my home that I haven’t disposed of yet which were part of a separate recall.
Proper regulation works quietly for the average person. When it’s working correctly, you don’t notice the myriad of ways that you’re kept safe every day. It’s when it fails that we notice.
Illegal drugs are already a black market and that’s the context of this reply thread. Feel free to reread it if need be. Nowhere did I say that I agree with RFK’s approach broadly as you seem to imply. The comment I made was clearly about illegal drugs, responding to a reply thread about legalization of illegal (recreational) drugs.
And my comment is that, with deregulation, you probably won’t be sure about the content, quality, or dosage of legal drugs. If it were properly regulated, you’d be safe.
Also, nowhere did I imply that you agree with his approach. You asked a question and I answered it. I don’t have any opinion about your opinion about him. I gave you my opinion about him, the incoming administration, and the upcoming fallout.
Being able to grow mushrooms legally would be fucking sick and would make the next four years a bit less shitty.
No, he won’t. Or he might, ostensibly, but they will never be propery researched and they will never be properly regulated, so you won’t really know what you’re getting or how it should be administered, so good luck with that.
The only thing you can reliably count on with the incoming administration is that whatever they are doing, they are doing to make themselves and their friends wealthier, at the expense of the rest of the public. Unfortunately, that doesn’t only mean finacial expense.
Stem cells? Does he know what party he’s hitched his wagon to?
Oh, he knows. They took him on an airplane and made him eat food he had just called “poison” for a photo shoot.
He couldn’t say no, because of the implication.
Obviously if he did say no, they wouldn’t make him eat it. But the thing is, he’s not gonna say no, because of the implication.
Consistency? Not even once.
stem cells
Evangelicals: I think you’re getting ahead of yourself
I think we should take full advantage of this opportunity. Ok, here we go.
“Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is a baby murderer! He thinks people should be able to inject themselves with stem cells which are just another name for little bits of unborn baby! President Trump is appointing a pro-choice Democrat baby murderer to head up the FDA!!”
How am I doing so far?
Louder and without all that pesky grammar. More clap emojis and unhinged emotional language.
Ask and you shall receive.
Art imitates life.
Don’t worry, everyone! While we will ignore science and make sure you don’t have vaccines, you’ll have shrooms, rock crystals, and essential oils when bird flu finally hits.
Or I eat a dead bat and become patient zero for Ebola. It’s all good! - RFK Jr
The Democrats should create a shadow presidential cabinet where the health secretary gives science backed advice for people who are looking for it. It would be better to have a centralised political source rather than having everyone independently search Healthline
Healthline
WebMD
I’m surprised, with all the whale carcasses and roadkill bears, RFK Jr hasn’t already become patient zero for a pandemic.
In all that crazy, there’s, shockingly, two good points:
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Psychedelics. There’s at least anecdotal evidence they’re good for treating certain traumas / PTSD. So, yeah, we should be looking into their medicinal applications. But is it the FDA or the DEA that’s cockblocking those?
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Stem cells. Abso-fucking-lutely yes. But wasn’t it the “pro life” people holding that up?
2: Yes, buttt there are some issues, but afaik do not throw the baby out with the bath water -> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/the-stem-cell-scandal
Don’t expect consistency from this administration.
Expect only what they can actually deliver. Chaos
- Yes.
- Also, yes.
Clean foods is also a good thing
Right, but we already have that so I left it off the list. Not that there aren’t things that slip through, but that’s mostly a matter of enforcement and ensuring compliance (both things I do not expect him to take seriously).
Given the giant list of companies that do absolutely nothing to limit the PFCs in our food, we really don’t.
We don’t really. The EU refuses to import things like US chicken because of our food processes.
EU food standards are leagues past ours, but the core reason is regulating some of our worst factory farm processes. More regulation will absolutely not happen for 4 years, so no real progress will be made.
That “worst factory farm process” is cleaning chicken with cleaning agents generally regarded as safe.
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R40199.pdf
The EU food safety agencies have issued opinions that it’s fine, and the EU would resume importing US poultry if it weren’t for that. The same agents are allowed to be used on other imported and domestically produced foods.
The conditions in our typical poultry facility are perfectly in line with theirs, we just allow an additional rinse that they don’t.Our food supply is nowhere near as gross as people seem convinced.
The biggest threat to the cleanliness of our food supply is actually people like RFK who view the food safety apparatus as the enemy.I really don’t see the incoming administration blocking washing poultry with vinegar or a dilute bleach solution and compensating with increased staffing for food inspection agents. More likely they approve requests by the meat industry to be able to do their own inspection and reduce independent verification in the name of “efficiency”.
GRAS can be self-affirmed by companies. It’s a huge loophole.
Also, the conditions chickens are raised and slaughtered in the US as well as its dependence on undocumented workers that will not jeopardize their jobs by reporting safety issues or contamination hazards are also really large problems.
Our food supply has issues I would consider pretty gross and it’s going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.
In the case of the food cleaning sprays, I didn’t use “generally regarded as safe” in the sense they use it for food additives, I meant it in the plain English sense. The list of acceptable sprays is codified by the FDA and both the US and EU food safety organizations acknowledge that the risk of public health because of them is negligibly low. That’s why the EU also uses the same sprays, just not for poultry specifically. Our standards are otherwise completely compatible .
I’m not saying there aren’t gross things in our food system, or things we allow that others don’t. I’m saying the poultry thing isn’t one of them, and the reputation our food system has as a disgusting free for all is unwarranted.
My concern is that his definition of clean food is incompatible with a sane definition of clean food.
We’re talking about a man who got mercury poisoning from eating unsafe fish, and ate meat that caused a worm to eat part of his brain. His standards for food safety are clearly not the same as mine.
If he were to assert that pasteurizing milk causes nearsightedness and lazy eye, I wouldn’t not be surprised.
We can simply harvest stem cells from the lowest status minorities in the deportation camps
He also talked about obstructive health patents. I’ll take “Things that he won’t follow through on” for 500.
There are also very good reasons to think that the money in medicine distorts and corrupts the science. Fact is the proper trials are very expensive and the only institutions that can afford them are pharmaceutical corporations. So the only treatments that get trailed are the ones that make good business sense.
So RFK Jr’s Dept. of HHS is going to increase government grants for pharmaceutical research, right?
…right?
No idea. Can’t get a handle on the guy at all. He’s all over the place.
For point one, there was a big study about it but it turned out the study co-ordinators were intimidating people into saying that it helped them when it didn’t. This is why psychedelics are still banned because the “scientists” that were trying to prove that they were safe fucked up in the dumbest possible way.
I mean psychedelics really shouldn’t be suppressed as much as they want, but with him gutting all actual medical science, they’re not gonna be helping much.
They have tons of potential and power, but binging mushrooms for three days and dancing in circles isn’t probably the only way we can utilise them. (I’m not saying it’s a bad one, just not necessarily suited for everyone.)
And actually if psychedelics gets lumped into his shit it might just be a step back for research on psychedelics when eventually this craziness of his blows up in his face. Hopefully before he implements any of it. Or even gets into office.
Stem cells.
He’s not talking about the stem cells that can cure a select few diseases.
He’s talking about an alternative medicine thing which is basically sticking cells from your right arm into your left arm and calling it “stem cell therapy” then claiming it can cure hundreds of diseases.
There is zero evidence (or RCTs) showing his version of “stem cells” works.
The FDA bases approval on two highly successful phase 3 RCTs of a specific drug for a specific condition. You can read more about that process here
Neither psychedelics not RFK’s version of stem cell therapy has that yet.
All approved vaccines, on the other hand, do.
I suspect my insurance company will soon cover shoving goat testicles into my scrotum. I’ll be so virile!
Thanks for clarifying. I took the mention of stem cells in the wall of crazy tweet to be the more credible form of stem cell therapy. Considering I was fully aware of who was making the statement, the fault is mine.
My guy, Peptides and SARMS are also super interesting,think of it as the middleground between sports suplements and steroids, chemicals to fuck with your hormones in specific ways. Im taking 4 seperate ones at the moment and my biggest worry is “Am I getting whats on the label” and the biggest reason I dont know is that the FDA wont approve them for human consumption, even though thousands of people do.
I know I might be placing myself at risk of side effects, but I’m already doing it! I’m going to continue doing it, at least let me know my BPC157 is legit.
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did that dude just say stem cells? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh brother
“You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.”
Unexpected Tim Minchin!
Ah yes, vitamins, the secret cure-all that has been kept from us all those years without brainworms at the helm.
Fucking FDA and big Pharma having a stranglehold on vitamins, exercise and su-…and …sunshine…
Don’t forget the FDA’s aggressive suppression of exercise.
Exactly, that’s why I’m so fat and unhealthy!
Look people. This is life now. We could rise up and put all these motherfuckers out of our misery, but nobody is willing to handle business
The American public is too servile, and too busy tearing each other down, to do that.
Day of the living brain dead.
127TB of data. That’s almost exactly 20 LTO-6 tapes. Good for 30 years when you’ll need to transfer them to something better.
It’ll cost you less than $300 and it’ll all fit into a shoebox.
Become an archivist. The future depends on it.
“Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway”
High latency though and particularly catastrophic if you get packet loss
It’ll cost you less than $300
Except for the multi-thousand-dollar drive.
Lto6 drives are more in the sub 500 realm now. Still pricey but far more affordable. Of course more modern lto… Yeah
Vaccines are the laziest, lowest effort medicine we have. There is no medical treatment that is more effective for so little actual work on the part of the patient. Which is exactly the kind of medicine we need to have the greatest impact on the population base.
Counterpoint: RFK doesn’t want to admit he got his weird voice thing from hep C from his IV heroin habit, so it has to be vaccines. Checkmate, libtard.
How does Hep C cause spasmodic dysphonia? I can’t say I’ve ever seen that on the general medical Hep C bingo card.
Link?
People like RFK don’t get it. Also, has anyone seen a fucking microchip in a syringe… ever?
You can’t see them without a microscope, duhhh.
That’s why they’re called MICRO-chips.
In the bio hacking world, yea. There are reprogrammable RFID implants that you can get. They are rather large though and kind of suck when trying to use. Check out dangerousthings.com
I love the idea of bio hacking. Too bad the things they do have such poor risk to utility ratio 😂
When do I get my cyborg legs? That’s what I wanna know
I think it’s a large variation of a syringe needle that chips our pets, but aside from that monstrously large setup that isn’t even used on humans, no.
Closest thing I can think of is the capsule sized camera that can be swallowed to collect data as it travels through that long tube that connect mouth to anus. Even then, I’ve never seen that setup used on anyone.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. You can feel the microchip under the skin with the real ones. But we’re shown a clear liquid going in. Where are the 'chips?
Nanotechnology exists. Not in vaccines, but it’s still a thing.
They give modern tech too much credit. But I wonder what we could create if we wanted to.
You’re looking for logic in the wrong place friend.
Even better than that. You take the medicine and it reduces everyone else’s risk of getting sick, even the ones that refuse to take the medicine. It’s the closest thing we have IRL to literal magic.
As an immunocompromised person, thank you to everyone who gets vaccinated against communicable disease, you make my world a little less heinous to navigate.
I appreciate your gratitude and I really do hope it does some good for others… Especially because I really hate needles but I have it done anyway for this reason. Lol 😬
“Fuckin-A!”
vape
“not that!”
swipe
“awww, damnit.”
Raw milk and no vaccines. Get ready for the great Bird Flu epidemic.
