Read the room, Tim.
remember when everyone thought this guy was gonna secretly turn bernie-bro the Kamala campaign into being good
No.
He was a best a signal Kamala was going to be a departure from Biden. There were a few weeks where that seemed to be the case too.
If anybody ever believed that, they were a fool. Kamala’s campaign promises were to tax the rich and legalize weed, Tim Walz from a deeply conservative district was the moderate to balance her out.
And then the girl bosses proceeded to ignore the fact he used the national guard on peaceful protesters multiple times. But he’s just a heckin’ progressive guys, really.
Idk why you made it gendered but ok
I didn’t, and it’s weird you think I’m the one that made up that term or applied to to Harris’ campaign.
I mean, it’s all there in your comment? Girl boss is about as gendered a term as you can get. Obviously you didn’t invent it.
Nor did I apply it randomly or previously gender an ungendered group. I know it’s been a month but if you’ve forgotten the Harris supporters and what they’ve called themselves maybe politics isn’t for you.
I have never heard or seen in all the election coverage Harris supporters calling themselves that. Nor do you need to get snarky when someone calls you out for maybe being a little flurmy, even if you didn’t mean to be. The bear, indeed.
The K Hive?
Bourgeois parties support bourgeois fat cats? Nihil novi. A proletarian mass party must be built urgently. Revolutionary Communists of America do a lot of laudable effort in that direction.
google translates from latin
so true!
And nobody ever sees or hears from them.
The next time someone says “we gotta get behind the Dem nominee to stop ______” HUNT THEM DOWN AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM ON NATIONAL TELEVISION
You can’t get elected in the USA if your party calls itself Communist.
Yes that’s why the rotten system of choosing a slave master every few years, of the duopoly of parties which are equally complicit in war crimes and are on the payslip of big business must be replaced with bottom-up system of lively democracy within worker, student and tenant councils
Dunno. Thoughts and prayers is seen as some as politicaleze for bless your heart.
I think Governor Walz is successfully threading the needle here.
i will believe this if at any point in the near future the man comments on the popular reaction to this event in relation to the need for national healthcare.
he won’t but that’s what i would believe if he did.
Democrats never saw a billionaire or war they didn’t love.
I made a large collection of screenshots from Facebook of people who had their claims denied by United Healthcare today.
Yes, we know.
Sorry I’m not trying to be an attention getting asshole. I just really think people should see this.
Funny how the politicians and the media react with horror, but the entire rest of the Internet has an entirely different reaction. I wonder why.
Class consciousness
idk what that is but sounds an awful lot like the term “woke” … blocked
beautiful downvotes
my sense of satire is too powerful for yall
Please don’t make a comment talking about your downvotes, it does not make people like you more.
why do you think i care
Don’t be a Schrödinger’s Douchebag… Poe’s Law is still a thing, the comment you made, I’ve heard many times unironically/unsatirically.
Can’t hear tone in text, remember that. Next time, use the tone indicators, they’re there for a reason. No matter how obvious it may be to you, to most of us, you’re still a stranger.
As opposed to whatever sort of douchebag you’re being?
yo chill, not necessary
It’s lemmy. Nothing we do here is necessary. And most of it isn’t valuable in any remarkable way.
the comment you are responding to is my tone tag after seeing i pushed the line and looking at the votes it has successfully corrected the record. also idgaf what you think of me really
Tone indicators take the fun out of it for me. I’ll risk the downvotes (like my most recent comment).
A person died, murdered in cold blood. They need to be respectful. Would you prefer they celebrate the execution of mass murderers on death row?
Define what “cold blood” means to you. To me it sounds like you mean the assassin didn’t have a motive, and seeing as this CEO directly profited from denying people live saving healthcare, there’s a pretty fucking big motivation.
Cold blood usually just means as opposed to “hot blood”, that is, in the heat of the moment. People say it as if it makes it particularly bad, but really, it’s almost a synonym for “premeditated”.
It’s a horrendous thing. To see a person killed before thier time when they didn’t have to die. Just like what happens to thousands of Americans each year who are denied coverage. If we’re actually honest with ourselves, the only reason this one is seen as a tragedy by politicians and CEOs is that there was no profit to be had in it.
John Brown Did Nothing Wrong
The CEO got shot just two days after the anniversary of John Brown’s execution. I’m sure JB smiled upon this assassin from the afterlife.
Not a person, a CEO. Big difference.
Yes but saying the mass murderers death is a terrible lost to society is kind of silly, no?
Who said that? I’m talking about the human, not the employee. We’re also talking about official political and news statements, not public discourse.
He had a family. Seriously. The media or politicians publicly telling his children, “We’re all happy your dad is dead because of his career choice!” just doesn’t resonate with me.
There are many stories of people being confronted with the fact that their beloved grandfather or uncle or whoever had been a nazi who killed hundreds of people in the holocaust. Should we soften the discussion of that evil to protect the feeling of their descendants? This man’s children should live with the fact that every comfort they have in life was purchased with the blood and tears of people their father considered worthless.
Hitler had children
I’m talking about the human, not the employee.
They’re one in the same, he had power, he could have changed things. He MADE the decisions he did, he CHOSE to pump up those denial numbers and profits at the expense of human life. Nobody is forced to be a CEO.
Fuck. Him.
That’s a one-dimensional reduction of a human being. I’m sorry, but I’m just not that closed-minded.
You haven’t actually suggested any way in which the guy’s work and behaviour could be viewed “three-dimensionally”. While I can agree that discourse especially online slips into dehumanisation of (real or imagined) enemies too easily… this is really not a case where this is the incorrect approach.
Edit: Regarding the guy’s family, I can agree that they did not deserve the death of the father/husband. But that does not really concern the guy by himself, his own moral character, it’s someone else’s problem. When a criminal gets sent to jail or executed, does anyone really give a crap about how much his family will suffer from that? Not really, the criminal is assumed to be a morally independent being that can tell right from wrong by himself, and his failure to do that is his own.
I agree, It is really sad for the family of this guy, and I feel bad for them.
That being said, I feel WORSE for the millions of families who have lost a family member due to this CEOs sociopathic decisions.
I think you put it really well with the criminal comparison. This CEO was a criminal, just one that was above the law of the US, who was never going to be brought to justice for his crimes in any other way.
Oh. So you mean exactly how insurance company CEOs and their boards do? Every. Single. Day.
They sure won’t care about reducing you to a one-dimensional number on an excel spreadsheet.
Imagine defending a sociopath and then having the utter gall to claim the moral high ground.
Tim Walz is a sociopath? He’s who I’m defending. I’m not saying a single nice thing about the CEO. I’m saying his death devastated his family.
Poor people get murdered all the time. It’s not what they said, it’s that they chose to say something at all.
Politicians and media celebrate killings or Arab leaders all the time…
That’s not a great comparison, because no mass murderer on death row has ever come close to the level of deaths this CEO is responsible for.
Maybe because people on the internet are anonymous?
… you say under a post with their full legal name on display
Gork is their name?
Yes, I am the Original Gork. All others are pretenders.
Do you and Mork keep in touch?
The actual post. The picture. The OP. Original picture. That one. Not the one your talking about. The one in the picture.
Funny how the politicians and the media react with horror, but the entire rest of the Internet has an entirely different reaction. I wonder why.
Posted anonymously by someone calling themselves ‘Gork’
The thing I responded to.
If it means that much to you I’ll edit it to ‘mostly anonymous.’
That’s not what I nor the person you were talking to ment. We are talking about the person in the picture who put their whole name on the exact thing your talking about. Are you really going to try and pretend you understood that and replied appropriately?
How do you know what I meant?
I replied to Gork’s post because Gork posted anonymously.
I find this amusing, so I’ll keep responding.
or maybe because they are working class instead of a sheltered Ivy League graduate elite
i find it’s always helpful to follow the money in these situations. obviously we were all paid off by Big Woke. we’re financially invested in these institutions being seen as murderous. obviously.
Careful not everyone gets the 😉.
this one passed the vibe check fortunately but u right, made a joke about class consciousness and it didn’t ring well
Any political that is praising that jackass getting what his due will get my loyalty, that’s for sure.
Genuinely confused by the responses here. Like what do you want him to say? Because no politician is going to come out and say “Yay Assassinations”.
Jesus Christ no wonder American is is the dam shape it’s in because of bullshit like this. The political IQ of a four year old
I want him to say nothing.
Option 1: say nothing. A lot of politicians did this.
Option 2: be vague. We saw a lot of this BS during the pandemic to somewhat appear like you carr. “We are in trying times.”
Option 3: not include the “a terrible loss for the business and health care communities”. So he is rubbing shoulders.
That’s 3 options right there. Am I’m not even a political strategist.
Jesus Christ no wonder American is is the dam shape it’s in because of bullshit like this. The political IQ of a four year old
And the effect of media bubbles. Including self-selected ones, not just algorithm driven bubbles.
The plurality of voters this last election voted for greed and selfishness as celebrated norms. Over a third of voters said they didn’t care. Of the remainder, a significant percentage of them are obsessed with civility and the proper way of doing things.
Laughing about capitalist cunts getting their just desserts is funny, but not as popular in touch-grassville as it is on Lemmy, and public figures have to deal with that fact
touch-grassville
I love that lmao. Gonna make an effort to use that one.
Worst part is, touch-grassvile itself is still fucking absurd. They’re out there touching the grass and blaming their heavy breathing on grass allergies, while us shut-ins are noting the coal plant two miles upwind of the town that’s caused a drastic uptick in asthma attacks.
But the vast majority of people are normals who are out there fucking with the grass and asspatting each other for being so in-touch with their surroundings, and we have to deal with that.
Yes, the pundits are saying DISCLAIMER: Shooting is bad. Murder is bad before they talk about how the healthcare service executive really had it coming.
And that’s coming from the liberals, not us radical left pinko-commies who have Bolshevik choruses back us up when we talk.
Like what do you want him to say?
Nothing. Nothing would be perfectly acceptable. See: https://lemmy.cafe/post/10402549/8792150
Edit: Also, a mitigating alternative I would accept would at the very least not laud the “business and healthcare community.”
I want him to bring up jury nullification. I want him to randomly list countries with no extradition treaty. I want him to post the names and addresses of more health insurance CEOs.
I thought these M O T H E R F U C K E R S were supposed to be “representatives”.
yeah that’s a bit wild and out there but i appreciate you letting us know lol
Personally, if I were in the position, I’d say something like: “It is a tragedy that a murder happened. No one should ever feel like murder is the only chance at justice.” Maybe expand on it a bit and add a link to a bill proposed to either fix the justice system to not favor the rich, a bill that forces health insurance companies to do a better job and not be as greedy, or, even better, a bill that provides Medicare for all.
Something along the lines of “Murder is wrong but also this man’s policies at his company led to a third of people’s claims being denied and 22 billion dollars just last year being taken as profit off people actively having their healthcare denied and maybe, just maybe, we should do something about that.”
Like what do you want him to say?
He didn’t need to say jack shit.
Loss? What loss, Tim? Besides the families that have been torn apart and sickened over the years by this man and his board of ghouls? I see none.
Here ya go! | || || |_
:.|:;
You and he were… buddies, weren’t you?
So close to being a empathetic human while not being a corporate shill.
As it was said on Some More News. The democrats should harness the hatred towards the rich elites instead of playing into Trump’s anti-immigrant game.
That’s not how political parties work, though. Political parties are largely ideological institutions, they exist first and foremost not to win elections but to propagate an ideology, and winning the election is just a sign that they succeeded in their goal of convincing people of their ideology, and so now enough people agree that it can take root in the state. When political parties lose, it’s very rare that they will interpret their loss as “we need to abandon all our values to match the opinion polls.” No, they interpret their loss as meaning they failed in their goal of convincing people of their values, and thus should change their strategy of their out-reach, not changing their whole ideological position.
Democrats going against the rich elites would be an abandonment of their party’s values and everything they stand for. In most countries, if you dislike the ideology of a party, you vote for someone else. The party itself has no obligation to change its entire ideology for you, such a thing very rarely occurs. If that was the case, then every political party would all have the exact same position, just all copy/pastes of whatever the opinion polls say.
I keep seeing all this bizarre rhetoric about how if the Democrats were “smart” they would just abandon their whole party’s platform and adopt some other platform, but this makes zero sense, because you have to consider motivation. Their motivation is not to just win the election, but to convince you of their ideology, and abandoning their ideology does not achieve this. Democrats are not stupid, they just don’t have the same motivations as you. Yes, they want to win, but they ultimately want to win on their platform, not on someone else’s platform.
That’s how political parties work. They have a platform, and the platform is paramount. If a green party adopted all pro-coal and pro-oil lobby positions just to win an election, that would not be a “smart” decision for them, because, even if it leads to their victory, it still is an abandonment of their ideology. Democrats are unabashedly a pro-rich elite party, it should not be smart for them to become anti-elite, because it is not aligned with their motivations.
no! we need to become transphobic!
(satire)
Politicians are almost all sociopaths, not even trying to be funny. Sometimes they do things you like and sometimes they dont, but that never has anything to do with the interests and priorities of citizens. They are just people whose job is acting their entire life according to some doctrine, they dont have real personalities.
The political system we live under is rotting. It’s holding us back, suffocating real democracy, and clinging to relics of an era we should’ve buried centuries ago. Why are we still pretending centralized power structures, dominated by presidents and parliaments, are the best we can do? It’s time to turn the whole thing upside down. Imagine power flowing not from the top down but bubbling up from councils—real, grassroots bodies in towns, workplaces, and universities where people directly decide what matters to them. No presidents. No untouchable elites. Just democracy as it was meant to be: local, participatory, and alive.
Critics say that direct democracy would be too costly and cumbersome in large countries. But that’s a lie told to make us think power belongs anywhere but in our hands. The truth is, it doesn’t work their way—infrequent, clunky referenda that barely scratch the surface of what real participation looks like. But why not councils that meet regularly, that use technology we already have to count votes and hear every voice? Why not frequent, transparent, and accessible decision-making? We have the tools. What we lack is the will—and that’s on us.
And about the politicians. They’ve turned ruling into a career. They live above us, pocket bribes, rub shoulders with CEOs, and laugh at the idea of accountability. Enough. All representatives should be recallable at any time, earning no more than the median worker’s salary. Partial sortition (random official selection) could ensure even more fairness. It worked in ancient Greece which was (for the free male citizens ofc) closer to actual democracy than the unaccountable neo-aristocratic order we have today, so why not today when we have the formal equality before the law and equal rights, but we know the reality.
But if no one will be above anyone because everyone will get their chance to actually change something about the world and their life without running into the stone walls of the system, it will be a complete revolution in human relations that will uproot the poisonous root of disdain so many feel for their fellow humans for simply being worse off than them.
Imagine a system where politics isn’t about who has power but about how power flows and where the needs of the people are actually heard and resolved. Blockchain (and no, I’m abso-fucking-lutely not a cryptobro. PoW is still useful for things like captcha replacements but the whole thing is the biggest example of capitalism’s way of turning useful and promising inventions into means of speculation and outright scams by and large) could be used to make the process more transparent than ever. It’s not the technology that hold us back, but their fear of us using it to take what’s ours.
Term limits, too. No one should sit in power long enough to forget what life is like for the rest of us. Politics should be service, not a career. If we’re serious about democracy, every single one of us—no matter how “uneducated” we’re told we are—needs to learn how to govern. Because democracy isn’t just voting for the lesser evil every few years. It’s taking the reins of your life, your community, your future. It’s about ruling instead of being ruled.
Here’s the thing: the ruling class will not go quietly. When we start to take real power into our hands, they’ll fight back. They’ll use every dirty trick in the book to claw it back. That’s how this game works. But if we stand together, if we build a united force that can’t be undermined, if we refuse to let fear or complacency stop us—then they lose. And we win something they can never take away: the power to determine our destiny. That’s what’s at stake. Let’s stop settling for scraps. It’s time to demand the whole damn table.
