Those bombs are blowing up people in Ukraine, statistically in America’s conflicts, it’s like 10 civilians to 140 for every “enemy combatant”, and I doubt the Ukrainian conscripts are more disciplined and trained than America is.
Do you genuinely believe America has any interest at all in improving conditions for the people of Ukraine? Has that been true one single time since WWII?
There’s 3 parties here who can unilaterally end the war that has killed or wounded over a million and displaced millions more, America, Russia, and Ukraine.
statistically in America’s conflicts, it’s like 10 civilians to 140 for every “enemy combatant”, and I doubt the Ukrainian conscripts are more disciplined and trained than America is
Surely you understand the very different nature of America’s recent conflicts (air strikes on small numbers of militants living among civilians) to the war in Ukraine (frontlines where civilians have been evacuated and every building has been destroyed). Or taking your numbers of 10 to 140 civilians for every enemy combatant, are you suggesting that Ukrainian soldiers have killed on the order of a million to ten million civilians as “collateral damage”?
Do you genuinely believe America has any interest at all in improving conditions for the people of Ukraine?
I believe that is irrelevant to the Ukrainians. They are happy to get any support they can to help fight off their would-be oppressors. Whether or not America is interested in improving the conditions for the people of Ukraine, it only takes one look at Russia and then at the EU to see where the common people have a better standard of living.
There’s 3 parties here who can unilaterally end the war that has killed or wounded over a million and displaced millions more, America, Russia, and Ukraine.
Of those three, only Russia can end the war unilaterally with no downsides to any party. Ukraine can only end the war unilaterally if they want to be subjugated under Russian oppression. I fail to see how America could end the war unilaterally. Even if they cut all military support to Ukraine, Ukrainians will keep fighting because they do not want to be ruled by Russia.
Its only choice is how many of it’s kids they want to send into a meatgrinder trying to hold onto the Russian-speaking territories whose people it didn’t seem to like very much before the invasion, and it seems to like even less now.
There’s no realistic way for Ukraine to push Russia out, let alone deal with the resulting insurgency. Same applies if Russia tried to hold the Ukrainian-majority territories. Actually they’re probably in for an insurgency either way given their conduct.
Mate, the only thing you have to say is that Ukraine is getting fucked over left and right. Instead you find the strangest ways to twist that into apologizing for Russian imperialist interests.
Also if an asshole came up to you, shot you in the leg and demanded your house, how would you react when people around you said “just give him the garden and cellar as compromise”
Ever heard of an analogy? Also you were the one saying Ukraine should just yield to the imperialist power invading their country, puppet
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My brother in Christ, what does my country have to do with this? At least you saw your own bullshit and deleted it, if only you had the same realization about the other shit you spew
But we both know you won’t do shit. You are a first world coward from a country that consistantly have been on the wrong side of history - on ukraine, on palestine, on coal,… My grandma told me about you people. I grew up with memorials for this or that german massacre and collective punishment. Your opinion doesn’t count.
Being in favor of war and human misery is in the germanic zeitgeist unfortunately. You guys need a totale Rückverdummung
Those bombs are blowing up people in Ukraine, statistically in America’s conflicts, it’s like 10 civilians to 140 for every “enemy combatant”, and I doubt the Ukrainian conscripts are more disciplined and trained than America is.
Do you genuinely believe America has any interest at all in improving conditions for the people of Ukraine? Has that been true one single time since WWII?
There’s 3 parties here who can unilaterally end the war that has killed or wounded over a million and displaced millions more, America, Russia, and Ukraine.
Surely you understand the very different nature of America’s recent conflicts (air strikes on small numbers of militants living among civilians) to the war in Ukraine (frontlines where civilians have been evacuated and every building has been destroyed). Or taking your numbers of 10 to 140 civilians for every enemy combatant, are you suggesting that Ukrainian soldiers have killed on the order of a million to ten million civilians as “collateral damage”?
I believe that is irrelevant to the Ukrainians. They are happy to get any support they can to help fight off their would-be oppressors. Whether or not America is interested in improving the conditions for the people of Ukraine, it only takes one look at Russia and then at the EU to see where the common people have a better standard of living.
Of those three, only Russia can end the war unilaterally with no downsides to any party. Ukraine can only end the war unilaterally if they want to be subjugated under Russian oppression. I fail to see how America could end the war unilaterally. Even if they cut all military support to Ukraine, Ukrainians will keep fighting because they do not want to be ruled by Russia.
Oh, how can Ukraine end the war without essentially giving up and letting Russia win territories through this imperialistic war?
Its only choice is how many of it’s kids they want to send into a meatgrinder trying to hold onto the Russian-speaking territories whose people it didn’t seem to like very much before the invasion, and it seems to like even less now.
There’s no realistic way for Ukraine to push Russia out, let alone deal with the resulting insurgency. Same applies if Russia tried to hold the Ukrainian-majority territories. Actually they’re probably in for an insurgency either way given their conduct.
Lots of words for saying “they can’t”
No they absolutely can end the war by agreeing to a peace deal giving up the territories Russia occupies. They came close to agreeing on as much 2 years ago, with Russia ceding much of the territory they occupied at the time, before Boris Johnson changed the equation by pledging unlimited support. Now here we are 2 years later, over a million dead and wounded, UXO littered across the country, entire cities leveled by fighting, the right-wing even more entrenched in both countries, and nothing to show for it.
because capitulation always works … i forget, didn’t we try that before? oh yeah in the 40s… that worked out great
you can’t let the bully get what they want otherwise they won’t stop
Mate, the only thing you have to say is that Ukraine is getting fucked over left and right. Instead you find the strangest ways to twist that into apologizing for Russian imperialist interests.
Then leave them the fucking dombass, who tf cares? Alquaeda and the americans just invaded Syria and I don’t see you whining about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Also if an asshole came up to you, shot you in the leg and demanded your house, how would you react when people around you said “just give him the garden and cellar as compromise”
Funny, you have the exact same mindset as the fascists who want you to give a room to a refugee. Countries aren’t houses, idiot.
Ever heard of an analogy? Also you were the one saying Ukraine should just yield to the imperialist power invading their country, puppet
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My brother in Christ, what does my country have to do with this? At least you saw your own bullshit and deleted it, if only you had the same realization about the other shit you spew
You think my friend in kiev gives a shit about dombass, idiot? Nah, he mostly cares about not getting butchered.
That’s the thing with warmongerers like you, they are never the one paying the price.
If you like ukraine so much, they are hiring: https://ildu.com.ua/
But we both know you won’t do shit. You are a first world coward from a country that consistantly have been on the wrong side of history - on ukraine, on palestine, on coal,… My grandma told me about you people. I grew up with memorials for this or that german massacre and collective punishment. Your opinion doesn’t count.
Being in favor of war and human misery is in the germanic zeitgeist unfortunately. You guys need a totale Rückverdummung