• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Americans are too weak to demand what we deserve. Too complacent.

    Worker productivity has skyrocketed over the last century, but we’re still working the same 40+ hour work weeks. What’s the point of advancing technology and increasing efficiency if our lives don’t get easier/happier?

    Healthcare is dogshit and we’re all categorically getting ripped off by it.

    We used to tax rich people appropriately in this country and, surprise surprise, the middle class was way stronger back then.

    Now we’re just pussies that let the useless mega-rich do whatever the fuck they want to us and idolize them for it.

    We’re a bunch of bitches is what we are. Too feeble and uneducated to bring about real change. Even voting against our own best interests because we can’t be bothered to learn anything. We’re honestly pathetic.

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    they shaped their culture around anticommunism. you bet they will keep alienating their people further, and will hold off a revolution for as long as possible.

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    I have always said that so long as McDonalds has a hot burger for a few bucks on every street corner, there will not be a revolution in the US.

    Rather than starving to death, we have an obesity epidemic along with an opiate epidemic, which prevents the revolution from getting up off the couch.

    Not trying to claim a conspiracy here, just the way things are.

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      Yeah, the gap between the wealthiest and everyone else literally does not matter at all, when it comes to ‘motivation for revolution’.

      The overall level/amount/condition of poverty is what matters. And let’s be real, things are not nearly as bad in the US today as they were in France before the French Revolution. Not even close.

      Fact is, if you magically bumped everyone up so that no one was making less than $75k a year, the wealth gap would be essentially identical to what it is now, because the gap between zero and 75k is nothing compared to the gap between 75k and hundreds of billions. But no one would be suffering in poverty, so would anyone care about the wealth gap, then? I seriously doubt it.

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      McDonald’s is expensive now.

      A double cheeseburger was a dollar a few years ago, sure. But it’s almost that much for a single nugget these days.

      A hash brown is 3.50 at the one by my office.

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        Looked it up:

        McDonald’s double cheeseburger hasn’t been a dollar for over 15 years (started in 2002, and in 2008, the McDouble replaced it, which had one fewer slice of cheese). And the McDouble itself stopped being a dollar in 2013, over a decade ago. Bit more than “a few years ago”–I think Covid screwed up everyone’s perception of time more than usual, lol.

        That said, I get lunch at work several times a week at Wendy’s and always pay less than $5, not too bad all things considered imo.

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      It only takes about 3% of the population to push effective revolution. That’s still over ten million people. We might be getting close.

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    I mean…there was an attempt. The chronically online seem to think a revolution in the USA would be socialist, but these are Americans we’re talking about. Its either be back to 1800s style libertarian ethics or fascism, corporatism, something like that, decimating government power not increasing it.

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      One could argue that the Church had been extremely efficient at manufacturing consent for centuries. It was still the case for most of French society in the late 1780s. It also led to a civil war between Revolutionaries and traditionalists (including peasants).

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      Poverty in 1700 is very different from poverty in 2000, which allows for significant, but not unlimited, skewing.

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      Really, I think anyone considering themselves a Leftist needs to read False Witnesses and Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing.” Both are excellent examples of why people don’t change their minds when seeing indisputable evidence, they willingly go along with narratives that they find more comfortable. It explains the outright anger liberals express when anticommunism is debunked. That doesn’t mean Communists don’t do the same thing, but as we live in a liberal dominated west (most likely, assuming demographics) this happens to a much lesser extent because liberalism is that which supplies these “licenses” to go along, while Communism requires hard work to begin to accept. This explains the mountains of sources Communists keep on hand, and the lack thereof from liberals who argue from happenstance and vibes.

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    It’s simple, fractions of the populace(both sides) are actually in a cult, they do what the cult says, they ignore anyone outside the cult if they go against their cults leadership, and they vote with how the cult tells them to vote. The country is not statistically a cult nation, but the cults know if they can get 1/8th of the populace to do what they say, it takes at least 1/8th of the populace to stand against them, and we don’t have a leader, or even a coalition standing against them… It’s just 1/8th of the populace crazy out of their minds voting their cults desires into reality, and it’s happening with multiple groups, it’s not even half the total population, but when approximately only half the voters actually vote, it doesn’t take much to get control.

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    yes but have you considered that in nk they have no food and push the trains? (source: CIA) instead of all this radical talk i think we should VOTE harder, especially for progressive like bernie and aoc

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    Despite the current wealth inequality a good number of people are still living decently enough.

    I’m waiting to see what happens when Trump starts putting his taxes in place. When people are miserable enough they’ll take to the streets and protest. If we reach a breaking point where living conditions completely break down and there still aren’t protests then it may as well be over for democracy.

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      America is a frog getting slowly heated in a pot of water. The only hope is to turn up the heat fast enough and high enough that the frog jumps out of the pot before it gets cooked

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      Yeah there is no single explanation for revolution. Looking strictly to wealth distribution is reductionistic at best. I mean, wealth distribution was arguably better in the U.S. in the 1860s than it was in the prelude to Revolutionary France and yet we had a Civil War lmfao. There are endless examples that disprove this rule. The reality is: popular unrest is extremely complicated, and the factors that lead up to it are varied with fluctuating levels of influence at different stages of development. Sure, perception of wealth is a key component… but its hardly an explainer.

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    Tesla employee count: 140,473

    SpaceX employee count: 13,000

    Elon Musk could transfer $1 million in stock to each of his 153,473 employees,
    which would cost him $153 billion and he would still have a net worth of $302 billion!
    He’d still be the richest man in the world and would still have $56 billion more than Jeff Bezos!

    And some of that money he has came from under-paying factory workers at his Fremont, California assembly plant. For a long time the hourly rate was $22 (not sure what it is now) but auto plants in the Midwest were paying that or better and he was paying $22 per hour in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country.

    Elon is now worth more than Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates combined.

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      Tbf, if he transfered that stock, the price of it would crash as the employees sold it. He’d have to do some kind of slow transfer over several years.

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        All businesses should be worker or consumer cooperatives. Capital shouldn’t be divorced from stakeholders like in our current capitalist system, but rather socially owned by the direct stakeholders like in Mutualism.

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      And some of that money he has came from under-paying factory workers at his Fremont, California assembly plant. For a long time the hourly rate was $22 (not sure what it is now) but auto plants in the Midwest were paying that or better and he was paying $22 per hour in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country.

      All those employees were given stock options as part of their total compensation which those other auto factories did not give to everyone.

      All the early floor workers would be multi millionaires if they kept their initial stock, not counting using the employee program to buy more at a discounted rate or further employee incentives.

      Anyone who joined a little after the Model S was being sold and the early model 3 time up to around mid 2020 would have around a quarter million if they didn’t aquire any additional stock.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Tesla as a company created the most employee millionaires of any recent USA company due to giving every employee stock as part of their compensation.

      Early SpaceX employees are in a similar boat, but it’s harder to get rid of their shares since it’s private so it’s harder to quantify it.

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    I know it’s cliche by this point. But this one misattributed1 quote has become more prescient than ever.

    They’ve learned that giving us new shiny shit every year will keep the majority of us mollified against all kinds of injustice.

    1 - Commonly credited to George Orwell’s novel. It’s actually from the stage play adaptation.

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      I wouldn’t glorify Orwell, he was violently reactionary, even Anarchists fighting alongside him questioned why he wasn’t on the “other side.” He had a deeply aristocratic worldview, admired Hitler, and despised the Working Class for their “stupidity.” I recommend reading On Orwell as well as A Critical Read of Animal Farm.

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        Not glorifying Orwell. I’m aware of his history. The quote actually belongs to either Robert Icke or Duncan MacMillan; the two men who wrote the stage adaptation. Politics aside, it’s a fitting quote.

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        If you just give everyone unlimited bread sticks most people never even make it to the entree, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

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    From what I’ve been seeing throughout the years, I’d say give it time. Change usually takes a bit to get started and things usually hit a low point before a breaking point.

    The next four years of Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum running things could trigger something especially if they try to go through with that P-'25 BS. As it is, the indiscriminate mass deportation in it that they are planning (including natural-born) could easily be a bit of a powder-keg for starting a massive protest.