If you call people with vaginas women, you now cross the line for trans folks.
No matter how you phrase it, there will always be someone you will offend. In the case of the word “female” this is driven purely by some folks finding ways to use it offensively, despite it being just as neutral as “women”
Don’t assume malicious intent every time someone uses the word “female” - most likely, they have never put any negative connotations to it and possibly never even heard of this word being used in a negative context.
I mean, if you’re talking specifically in context about people with vaginas instead of women then using the gendered term does exclude both women without vaginas and men with them who are probably a relevant group in that context. But seriously how often does that come up for you? How often is the most important part of the woman you’re referring to her anatomy?
And while “females” is probably just as accurate in most contexts it’s also been poisoned with incel vibes at this point and it’s gonna be some time before it can be salvaged for general use outside of specific biological contexts without sounding like you’re about to unload a whole lot of baggage into the thread instead of getting therapy.
As a magical talking lion, I always go with, “Daughter of Eve.”
A talking lion and a flying squid? That’s some Lovecraftian horror combo
Flying Squid is just my mom de plume. I’m really a Jesus metaphor in big cat form.
mom de plume
What would Freud say about this one? It’s not overly sexual but I like it.
Freud would probably say, “autocorrect, huh?”
I’m not going to fix it now.
It’s Lilith actually
Common but baseless myth
Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve done a Reddit Atheism™, but the same could be said for the garden of Eden.
I know someone who ain’t gettin’ into Narnia. Not on Aslan’s watch, lady!
Furry Jesus was watching? Ew.
“It’s Ma’am”
That’s a huge word salat just to say “I’m an incel”
salat
Found the Ger(wo)man.
Is female derogatory? I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
Scientifc classification by sex. Referring to others by their biological sex in a social context is weird and creepy. Even if you believe sex and gender are the same thing, it’s still weird to call people by their sex. “Hello, male human. Want to ingest some fried pieces of cow flesh tonight?”
Using scientific terminology in colloquial speech is weird and creepy in most contexts. Calling kids “juveniles” and women “females” carries certain connotations, most of them bad.
It’s not inherently derogatory, but it does hold a connotation if you refer to women as females particularly in contexts where you wouldn’t/don’t refer to men as males.
It is not. Americans are insane.
Found the incel!
Found a USian.
Yes using scientific terminology can be derogatory. But in this case, acting like the opposite gender is a species on its own, classifying them as animals and slurring all women as hoes gave it away for me.
Using female as a noun (rather than as an adjective, such as in the phrase “female firefighter”, or any phrase of the format “female $noun”) is generally overly clinical and dehumanizing. Some people do it out of habit due to their profession-- usually researchers or soldiers-- but they usually say “males and females”, which while still weird isn’t the worst.
The guys who say “men and females” are the ones you need to watch out for.
Ohhhhh Watch out for what ?
Incel bullshit
Sex-obsessed creep
I mean, you are the one that freaks out when someone mentions the word incel, so I’m thinking that applies to you more than me.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
It’s a classification of sex like biological characteristics, like chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs. Are you asking about that?
Gender is a social construct. Just like race. Where you can be a Black person who is British. Or a Filipino American.
If you are calling a woman “a female”, and aren’t a cop discussing a victim or a doctor writing a chart, then yes, it’s fucking derogatory.
We’re not Ferengi.
Yep. A lot of incels seemingly are unfamiliar with scientific classification and try to use it in casual statements.
Like, they sound real stupid trying to redirect it to be about science then saying phrases like “boobs and tits”.
I call em Snatchers
Is the cute name “beaver” still used?
Are Beavers really cute? The teeth of these large water rodents are orange because they are full of iron, these teeth never stop growing.
But if you are being serious, women don’t really like being reduced to names that refer to their pudendum. It is objectifying.
Source: Canadian woman.
Of course women don’t like being reduced to names. But all hetero males do it. It starts with little boys in grammar school and no matter how old you are it never stops. Now this is not something that a normal guy would ever say out loud to a woman but they are thinking it just the same. Human nature has embedded this into the hetero male DNA. It’s not a denegration of women. Every male has a mother, sister, or daughter and would never want them disrespected.
As far as male slang terms for vagina, I think it’s a long list. Though I don’t think women use many slang terms for male anatomy. I’d guess because sex for a woman is mostly emotional. For a guy, while it may be emotional it is foremost a fun physical activity which makes it easier to joke about. Remembering back to my grammar school days, I believe the origin of “beaver” is that back then women had lots of pubic hair. Pubic hair trimming and “landing pads” were not in vogue. And the pubic hair surrounding a vagina sort of had the look of a “beaver”.
A reliable source on TV told me you can’t go wrong with
Ladies
“people with vaginas” is one option ig. or if they also identify as women, cis women is another option
Casual erasure of post-op trans people is really fascinating to me. Like, how did our culture shift from the first thing people think about trans people being “have you had tHe sURgErY yet???” to “if you have a vagina and are a woman you are cis”?
i know this is an old comment, but i wanted to reply anyway. im sorry for my comment. i hadnt thought about post-op trans ppl at all.
to clarify however, it wasnt the “first thing” i thought abt trans ppl, im trans myself actually.
i guess ive had too much contact with pre-op or never-op trans ppl and too little with post-op ppl to have this on my radar.
i will try to be better in the future!
I think “vag havers” is the preferred nomenclature.
Vager?
Pascals vager
V’Ger? ominous noises in the background
I prefer “pussy owners”, sounds funnier.
When did “people with vaginas” unironically become a way to refer to anyone, especially as an alternative to “female”?
well sometimes u need to refer to ppl who have a vagina, because having a vagina is somehow relevant to the topic of conversation. which in my experience comes up very rarely, so i dont have to use it very often.
some people who have vaginas arent women, and so if the topic includes those ppl, then “people with vaginas” is the perfect phrase to use. and if talking about ppl with vaginas who all identify as women, cis women is more fitting.
“female” is a very vague way of referring to something. some ppl use it to describe gender identity, others use it to talk about ppl with vaginas, others again use it to refer to ppl with estrogen-dominant hormonal systems, etc. etc.
People with vaginas is the right terminology if discussing something that pertains to vaginas. Eg. “People with vaginas should make sure to see a gynecologist regularly.” in this case, saying “women” would exclude/misgender many trans and intersex people who have vaginas but are not women, while also including some women who do not have vaginas and would not need to see a gynecologist
The person you replied to said “female” though. As far as I know, “Man”/“Woman” is on the gender side while “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.
Although taking all three into account may just make it hard to determine. But it does imply that “male woman” and “female man” are also valid combinations.
Sex is a lot more complicated than male/female. There’s a bunch of different sex characteristics that make up “sex” and people can have all sorts of different combinations of them. If you just use a male/female binary, that doesn’t tell people what sex characteristic you’re referring to. Maybe something affects people based on chromosones, in which case people who are xy but otherwise “female” (like with cais) would go in the “male” category and vice versa. Or maybe something affects people based on hormones, in which case transgender people taking hrt would have to be categorized based on that. If you say “male/female”, no one knows if you’re talking about hormones, or genitals, or chromosones, or gonads, or whatever else, so it’s best to be specific and use language like “people with [body part]”
Male and Female are still normative exclusionary categories that describe trends within physiology and not hard rules or limits. Sex is not a golden rule. It is a human created category in the same way gender is.
If you want to talk about specific anatomy there is no reason why you can’t talk about the anatomy you’re referring to.
“Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.
Not really, I don’t think. They’re just the adjectives where woman/man are the nouns. If you talk about a male coworker I assume he’s a man, not that you checked his birth certificate.
When the genital sexuals came on the scene. You know the ones who want to check everyone’s genitals to make sure they are what they say they are. The ones who are only attracted to the genitals, they could care less what is attached to them.
For them genitals is life and they have infiltrated our government to pass laws like bathroom bills. This will allow them to examine everyone’s genitals. So far they appear to be winning and everyone’s genitals will soon be seen them.
The Genital Safety Administration (GSA) will need to have a booth in front of our bathrooms there to perform their checks. Another genital sexual licking their lips in anticipation next time you have to drop a deuce.
My sides. xD
Im a hoe and I dont have a vagina so it clearly doesn’t even work 😋
I hate that society attached hoe to women like equal rights men can be slutty
Could you see to my garden plx
Trans women want to be referred to as just women, and biological women don’t want to be referred to as Cis women, so other than female, what is there?
I agree that I get the ick from female when referred to by certain men, but at this point, I don’t see another option.
The problem is female and women aren’t grammatically equivalent, so you can’t just drop one in place of the other anytime you want. It bugs me when people say woman president. Imagine electing a man president. The correct word in that case is male. You’d be electing a male president. I don’t care about anyone’s politics. I’m just getting tired of people in suits on tv using poor language and being asked to be taken seriously. And I’m not singling out democrats. Republicans adopted that language too. There are people on tv who wouldn’t pass kindergarten telling us what they think will affect GDP.
/s?
I sure hope so
The other option is “women”
Works for most conversations, I agree
Not wanting to be referred to as cis, is just as ridiculous as not wanting to be referred to as straight. It just means “not trans”. The women who don’t want to be referred to as cis are TERFs, so their opinions are irrelevant.
Is it just as ridiculous as not wanting to be referred to as trans? Why label what something is not rather than what something is?
“seat-pee-ers”?
Here I go once again with the email
Every week I hope that it’s from a femaleOh :( Not from a female
Broads.
Yes but he’s not looking for a woke word for “females”, so “women” doesn’t help.
Whatever happened to “femoid”? I know I read that one somewhere.
The future is femoid
