Like, I know why it’s being banned or has been banned or whatever. I just don’t understand the rage behind to keep this shitty ass social media platform that is essentially Vine 2.0
TikTok has been the detriment to society today as Facebook was and is. People doing stupid challenges. People’s attention span getting lower and lower. People pretending they’re more popular than life itself because of their faux acting and lip-syncing.
Why keep the piece of shit?
It’s the only way to stop my 65+ year old father from listening to it full blast while we’re hanging out.
It’s about your rights.
I want to decide if tik tok is a horrible thing that I don’t want to use and then choose not to use it. I don’t need the government telling me what is okay and not okay. I’m a grown up and can make that decision for myself.
Cheat sheet: look at all government policies and politicians this way. Regardless if you agree or disagree with the topic/results look at what idea or concept or precedence it sets forth and decide from there. (I personally hate tik tok for many reasons, both socio and political in nature and think it should be burned from he earth - but I don’t support a ban on it) Second cheat sheet: if after that analysis you decide you support an idea, then ask how it gets paid for (whats the soirce of the financing) and who’s in charge of it (how the money gets spent) and what checks and measures are in place to keep it productive (how it gets regulated).
I enjoy tiktok (using Vanced) but I don’t care if it goes away tomorrow. With that said, I don’t like this ban as it sets a precedent where corporations can just ban the competition.
Does that somehow disable some of their data scraping
Look, TikTok is trash, but clearly the people championing this ban don’t care at all about data privacy or social media manipulation. Ban none, or ban them all.
The one true way to resolve this issue (IMO) is to pass a digital bill of rights, regulating these social media corporations, and forcing them to make their products safe for all ages.
Banning one of many is pissing in the wind, and I don’t enjoy urine in my face (no judgement if that’s your thing, it’s just not mine).
there’s also an economic problem with banning tiktok: tens of millions of americans rely on it as a source of income and its banning will effectively become the biggest layoff in american history and will have detrimental impacts to our already fraught economic situation.
I’m extremely skeptical that tens of millions of people, a huge percentage of the working population, make any significant income from TikTok. Do you have a source for that?
it’s in the court transcripts.
A TikTok ban would consolidate more power into the hands of Mark Zuckerberg and Meta. Arguably, that’s worse.
Because Loops isn’t ready for primetime yet.
government bans social media because it makes it too easy to see the devastating results of wars that we profit off of
“Who cares about Tik Tok dances?!?!”
I don’t use it because I learned about it from my boss’s middle school girls soon after it was released when that was the main demographic so I still feel super weird about adults using it.
That said banning a social media platform at the federal level is a super authoritarian move and is rather unprecedented. Federal book banning will be next (oh no a chinese author!).
I don’t care about tik tok, I hate it. But its concerning how the government could just bypass the first amendment. They could ban Lemmy Instances next.
I can’t believe it, but this is like the least argued part of this whole thing. But IMO it’s the only thing that matters.
I don’t think it’s talked about because it’s missing the point, isn’t it? It’s about digital security and privacy. The fact that it’s a social media platform doesn’t make a difference. If a mobile game were able to harvest data inappropriately the same way, wouldn’t the problem be the same?
Not that I agree with the ban, but making it about freedom of speech seems like a stretch to me.
Its not about privacy or data collection they already forced TikTok to use us based servers of a us company, which by law has to give the government any data without notifying the user. Its purely about control an censorship. Also why would they allow fair competition in the free market.
I don’t think it’s talked about because it’s missing the point, isn’t it? It’s about digital security and privacy. The fact that it’s a social media platform doesn’t make a difference. If a mobile game were able to harvest data inappropriately the same way, wouldn’t the problem be the same?
If that was the actual reason then the same ban would apply to all other platforms like Meta and Google. Clearly, the US government doesn’t give two shits about security and privacy as long as they’re not cut out of the loop.
It’s about digital security and privacy.
To whom? Not the law makers who caused this to happen. If that were the case, maybe they would write laws that reflected that instead of just banning one company.
If a mobile game were able to harvest data inappropriately the same way, wouldn’t the problem be the same?
Where are all the mobile apps that Congress explicitly banned?
I hate everything the US government does
Because it’s censorship by the goverment? also all the bad shit you mentioned can be easily found in most other social media too, should those be banned as well then?
Probably, yes. Or at least regulated. Modern socmed is a fucking plague.
Trusting the goverment to do that without ulterior motives makes no sense, regardless of what you think of social media.
Perhaps not the government, but for example the EU and GDPR is kinda great. Seeing this style of regulation put in place for social media is of utmost priority IMHO. Peoples brains are fucking fried, mine included, and I’ve been off basically all social media platforms for years now.
FYI, the EU commission is proposing basically mass surveillance too.
Link is german. hope you can find a translator.
Yep, I’m aware, and I’m sternly against it. My statement wasn’t meant to imply that the EU should be trusted implicitly
they’re banning tiktok because people there are denouncing the crimes of israel and, and the ties to the US gvt, and they can’t force censorship like they can on US-based platforms, which are as bad, or even worse, in terms of data protection (since they keep selling & getting the data break which will inevitably end up in chinese hands anyway)
I don’t use tiktok, I’ve never been interested in using tiktok, and if it was just going out of business or something then I would give precisely zero fuckaroos.
But I don’t need the government making the decision to block it for me arbitrarily. I confess that I’m not studied up on the reasoning behind blocking it (I’ve mostly heard about security concerns), but if Congress and the supreme court actually cared about digital security, then they’d be passing a bill of digital rights right now. Instead of doing that, they’re set on going after TikTok specifically, which tells us two things:
- Because they aren’t passing blanket digital privacy rights, it’s likely that TikTok is not the only company committing these privacy violations, but they don’t want to punish the “wrong” company.
- Given the previous point, it follows that they don’t actually care about digital privacy (duh), so the actual reason for banning them is likely something else. Other people in this thread have pointed out that the US government can’t control propaganda on TikTok like they can other social media, but it could also be as simple as clearing the way for American competitors/lobbyists who stand to profit from the ban.
So yeah, like you I don’t use tiktok so I’m not directly affected by the ban, I might’ve even supported it if it was due to an impartial bill of digital rights, but reasoning behind the actual ban is clearly bullshit on principle just by being so specific, and it sets a dangerous precedent. You saying that TikTok is shit so you don’t care if it gets injustly and unconstitutionally banned is no different then saying that George Floyd was a criminal so you don’t care if he was murdered by cops sans-due-process. You’re being distracted, soulifix. Think about it, if the government cared about addressing the issues with TikTok that you brought up in your post, why are they going after TikTok specifically instead of addressing that behavior generally?
Here’s Mitt Romney and Anthony Blinken’s explanation for the ban’s passage:
TLDR:
Then Romney explained that the TikTok ban overwhelmingly passed both chambers of Congress because of the widespread Palestinian advocacy on the app.
Thanks, and yeah that figures
Oh yeah I forgot they claimed all the Gaza footage on the app was faked by the Chinese and Russians…
God they’re so transparent sometimes.
I imagine because a lot of people use it as a way to run their independent business now, TikTok accounted for $24 billion in gross GDP in 2023. Banning TikTok would be really disruptive to all the people who started using it to run a business, and while they will eventually find a new platform it will be disruptive for them in the short run https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-economic-impact-report-2024-smb
Another reason is that it’s relatively unfiltered stream of information where people can discuss issues like the genocide in Palestine that are censored on US owned platforms. If you don’t see why that’s important I don’t know what else to tell you.
