The conversations are amazing

  • Korne127@lemmy.world
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    China propaganda machine goes brrrr

    The way people really suddenly think oh yeah China is just a good country like a European democracy where you can live well is flabbergasting. Of course a dictatorship with massive censorship and suppression of minorities has mostly positive comments.

    And of course, many people that aren’t part of a harassed minority or politically active against the rulers aren’t saying horrible stuff against them (which wouldn’t be seen anyway).

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      Yes China is a dictatorship and theres a lot of censorship. I would still choose living in China over the US 1000 times.

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      Hey. I want you to Google the name Fred Hampton and find out what America does to it’s minority who speaks out.

      Maybe consider we have a larger prison population than the 1.whatever billion people. Largely made of our minorities.

      Take a mirror to yourself before you throw stones.

      This isn’t to say China doesn’t deserve criticism. The point is that many of your “they are an evil dictatorship who slaughters minorities!” Doesn’t hold up when we, a democracy, is doing the same thing but worse.

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        You sure about that? The Uyghers are being ethnicity cleaned as we speak. Same with Tibet. Plus China is taking territory. America is not.

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          Someone doesn’t know. Neither the history nor current events of the United States. Oh well. Can’t do much with a confidently wrong person.

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              Gaza.

              Or if we are just counting domestic ethnic cleansings, I’d like you to open your mind to some perspectives here you may find hard to accept.

              Incoming president is talking about deporting legal and illegal immigrants from central and south America. I’d call that ethnic cleansing

              We target our black population with over policing and underfunding restricting them largely to dying neighborhoods where they are then made criminal, arrested And put to slave labor. I would say this is arguably ethnic cleansing.

              Native American reservations are poorly taken care of, placed on land of no value, and left to wallow. They starve and live in poverty. They have two choices. Integrate into America or suffer. Kill the Indian save the man. I’d say this is also arguably ethnic cleansing.

              Now, your gonna get reeeeeal mad when you read all that and your gonna say " you fucking idiot, that’s not ethnic cleansing" and I’m gonna point out the word arguably.

              The point here is that you give America a biiiiiiiig pass on its many crimes. But China, a place you know nothing about outside of American sources gets the opposite of a pass. Have you considered that maybe our government, who calls China our mortal enemy, embellished some things? For our entire lives? Just something to consider.

              And before you go off on “YOUR JUST EXCUSING CHINA”, I am not. I am pointing out a hypocrisy. China has and is doing a lot of fucked up things. But information that is good is hard to find in the sea of state sponsored lies

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                You can investigate America. Take pictures. Report. China is a black hole of authoritarian censorship. Go talk about tiananmen square and see what happens. You can talk freely about Americas problems .

            • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              • Native Americans
              • Black Americans
              • Queer Americans
              • Illegal invasion of Iraq
              • Mexican families in cages
              • Gaza/Palestine

              And for the record, I dislike China for what it has done to Tibet the Uyghur people.

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          Man, if that is ethnic cleansing, I wonder what you’d call the mass incarceration and public, ad-hoc executions of black people in America as well as the deprivation of water and electricity of American Indians? What are the migrant concentration camps where they forcibly sterilize women and children are “lost” every day? We actually have pictures of those, you know?

          I bet they’d love some Chinese style ethnic cleansing rather than the American “inclusion”. Go look at a few videos from actual academics visiting and surveying Xinjiang and not just scary words and satellite photos from the entire Operation Mockingbird team US corporate media.

          Gringos oughta fix their nazi ass nation first and shut the fuck up until then.

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            Wonder why there are pictures? Freedom of press. Wonder what’s happening to the Uyghers in that black hole of authoritarian censorship .

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          China is taking territory. America is not.

          Gestures at Trump talking about Panama, Greenland, Canada

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      Ha ha don’t anger the tankies!

      Yeah this is so simplistic too, “cute asian girl” explaining the few better things in china lol.

      All that exists in Europe, with democracy btw, where are the stories about that :-) oh yeah everyone already knows about the expensive healthcare in the US…

      • SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
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        What’s the difference in democracy or dictatorship if both are committing crimes against humanity just one does it by committee

      • ours@lemmy.world
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        Some Americans believe we’re screwed in Europe. I had a US boss trying to “save me” from the “socialist hellhole” that is Switzerland by trying to convince me to move to the US. Some believe Islam is going to sweep across Europe and turn us all into jihadists.

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          Some believe Islam is going to sweep across Europe and turn us all into jihadists.

          Average European populist be like…

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            Eh, I’m happy with religion continuing to fade away like it is. Or at least organized religion.

            Fundamentalists are all the same no matter the flavor they come in.