With the 2024 presidential race beginning to unfold, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont said he believes that President Joe Biden will again earn the Democratic nomination — and the president likely win reelection if he runs on a strong progressive campaign.
“I think at this moment … we have got to bring the progressive community together to say, you know what, we’re going to fight for a progressive agenda but we cannot have four more years of Donald Trump in the White House,” Sanders said Sunday on “Face the Nation.”
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Sanders endorsed Mr. Biden in April. Sanders referenced several of those issues in underscoring what he believes is the importance of building “a strong progressive agenda” to win the presidency in 2024.
But he’s not all that progressive. He never has been. In a sane country, he’d be a middle-of-the-road Republican. There is no progressive left in this country. Not with any real power.
I keep seeing this but I’m not sure what you all want …
- biggest investment in climate infrastructure ever
- biggest investment in infrastructure since the new deal
- codified gay marriage into law
- attempted to forgive $10k in student loan (blocked by republican scotus, still attempting a workaround on interest at least)
- attempted ban on assault weapons (let’s face it, this will never happen without an act of congress)
- negotiated drug prices for Medicare (10 drugs so far, a blueprint for more)
Dude is ticking a ton of boxes. Sure we’re not living in a socialist utopia with universal basic income, etc but it’s been 3 years
Edit: with a republican congress no less
They don’t like Joe Biden because he doesn’t pick losing fights on principle, in general, and because they don’t want to admit that the primary process on the left actually does select for the strongest candidates.
I get it. I feel the same way at least emotionally. But $1.3 trillion dollars towards climate change and what is almost certainly the most important climate bill ever passed in the world so far is really hard to argue with.
I would like him to stand up and advocate for court reform. We need to strike while the iron is hot and people are seeing the Supreme Court for the corrupt political institution it always has been. He’s backed down with very little fight on a couple of the things they’ve pulled lately when the Trump Administration would have just kept hammering on passing the exact same laws with tiny changes until they accept it. For example, the opinion on that student loan relief case made this incredibly idiotic argument about how the HEROES Act doesn’t give permission for partial waivers because it only allows a modification or a full waiver and the partial waiver apparently doesn’t count as either of those. I think you should have just come back and said well all right then, full waiver and total jubilee. That probably would also have been struck down but it would have really shown how vapid and hypocritical the court was.
The word neoliberal has basically lost most meaning. But everything they accuse Joe Biden of being are things that describe Joe Manchin. The guy who singularly keeps killing Progressive legislation put forward by the Biden administration.
the primary process on the left actually does select for the strongest candidates.
Does it tho?
The 2016 general election was a contest between candidates with historically low favorables It took just 27.2% of eligible voters (in the right places) to put Trump in the White House Clinton underperformed Obama, while Trump over-performed Romney
If ‘Did not vote’ had been a candidate in the 2016 general, it would have won in a landslide https://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/
If “did not vote” were a candidate in ANY modern US election it would win. The 2016 and 2020 elections both had historically high turnouts.
What is your counterfactual? Would Bernie have been able to get more votes than Biden, then follow it up by passing as much impactful legislation (e.g., the IRA) as Biden did? We can’t really know, but I am extraordinarily confident the answer is ‘no’. He’d be labeled a full commie by the likes of every GOP + Manchin/Sinema and fully blocked from doing anything, even appointing cabinet members.
The 2016 and 2020 elections both had historically high turnouts.
2016’s turnout was 55% of eligible voters. That’s not historically high. Clinton underperformed Obama in total votes received.
2020’s turnout was historically high- it’s tough to say whether that was all anti-Trump energy (in which a ham sandwich with a (D) next to its name could have won, or if it was all pro-Biden energy that no other Democrat could have received (but TBH, I kinda suspect it’s more the former than the latter)
Would Bernie have been able to get more votes than Biden, then follow it up by passing as much impactful legislation (e.g., the IRA) as Biden did? We can’t really know
Probably not, given that centrists seem to prefer kneecapping progressives to supporting them.
As for things we “can’t really know”, we do know 100% that Clinton didn’t win in 2016, and that resulted in flipping SCOTUS rightward for a generation, the overturn of Roe, it meant that we’d have the pandemic under leadership that just wanted people to pretend it wasn’t there and sacrifice themselves for the economy, it was a terrible shit-show and the biggest thing we all got was ballooning debt so the billionaires could get their tax cuts and American foreign policy experienced setbacks from which it may never recover.
He’d be labeled a full commie
So was Biden. So was Obama. So was FDR. So was Kennedy. So was LBJ. They’ve called every Democrat to the left of Hoover a communist since Woodrow Wilson’s administration. This “oh no, we have to nominate people that republicans will accept or they’ll call us names” nonsense is quite possibly the worst sort of preemptive-surrender politics imaginable and I imagine it has something to do with why young people don’t vote
Counterfactuals. You can’t ignore counterfactuals.
The counterfactual to Biden is even less successful progressivism than we got. You yourself agreed with this and it is the most salient point.
You can and should demand more. You can and should advocate for change far beyond this. But my original points stand. By the time we reached the general election, Biden had proven he was the candidate to vote for to cause the most positive change possible. There was not a better way to spend your vote.
This “oh no, we have to nominate people that republicans will accept or they’ll call us names” nonsense is quite possibly the worst sort of preemptive-surrender politics imaginable and I imagine it has something to do with why young people don’t vote
That’s all well and nice, but it wasn’t republicans holding up far more aggressive and progressive legislation. It was Sinema, Manchin, and the other “centrists” who at least are smart enough to see the GOP for the totally evil lunatics they are, even if their politics really isn’t much better.
I imagine it has something to do with why young people don’t vote
Young people getting out and voting is WHY Biden won. He didn’t win in spite of them.
primary process on the left actually does select for the strongest candidates.
this seems to imply that the democrat party is left, but it is not.
primary process on the left actually does select for the strongest candidates.
The smugness. Imma vote for Cornel West just to piss you off.
With all that projection I guess you really do have an apt username.
“If you want to pull the party to your thinking, you must show them that you are capable of not voting for them.”. You didn’t convince me to change my vote. Milquetoast liberalism will doom us all.
Primaries have a purpose. Vote in them.
Don’t go around telling progressives to throw away their votes and let conservatives win in the general elections. Do that and you’re a colossal piece of shit working for the big bad. I’m tired of people like you helping get Republicans elected because you think principles matter more than the things they exist to defend.
Linking to clips about an election where literally one of the more progressive democratic candidates of my lifetime lost to Bush thanks largely to progressives failing at the GOTV and a major third-party spoiler candidate. Fuck, man, at least have a sense of self-reflection.
Primaries have a purpose.
i remember the 2016 primary. the purpose was to coronate a candidate i didn’t want.
an election where literally one of the more progressive democratic candidates of my lifetime lost to Bush thanks largely to progressives failing at the GOTV and a major third-party spoiler candidate
gore won florida. the supreme court coronated bush.
Your principle is the status quo. My principle is egalitarianism. I’m tired of people like you telling us we can’t have democracy because it risks fascism. As if the Democratic Party wouldn’t go fascist to preserve their power. They’ve already proven they will.. Demand more for your vote! Join the dissidents at CornelWest24.org. Or https://beehaw.org/c/cornelwest2024@slrpnk.net
He’s also yet to declassify weed even though he carrot on a sticked it leading into the general and then again before primaries. He could do it any time and has not.
They love dangling that carrot stick before elections. Only for it to ripped right back election day and tucked away for the next election
Good point, forgot that. At least the states (the good ones) have taken on that mantle
living wage would be cool
Tell it to the Midwestern white women.
The men, too, but let’s be real they’re a lost cause unless Hell freezes over and the Dems nominate someone with a gun collection.
these are the lowest fucking bars imaginable
try the following:
- enough climate infrastructure to at least stave off apocalypse
- enough infrastructure to keep people from sleeping on the streets in the richest nation on earth
- codifying gay marriage?? that’s where you want the bar? maybe try codifying trans rights, that one isn’t a political softball for free. It’s not even true either, states don’t have to issue marriage licenses if they don’t want to
- “attempted” lmao really? he pretended to around midterms to stir up votes and then let it flop. he was never going to.
- attempted a ban on assault weapons? Again, if he cared, he’d executive order it
- how about we don’t make people pay a corporation to not die
in regards to ticking boxes, if someone ticks every single box I’ve outlined here, I’ll think about calling them a centrist instead of a rightist
I mean… Yes? I agree with you 100%
But who was ever going to achieve this? I voted for bernie in the primary in 2016 but he was never ever going to make it, and he knew it too. But because of him, progressive ideas remain in the public discourse, to the point where Biden incorporates many of those ideas in his campaign still
Biden inherited a republican led senate and now a republican led house. If he tried more, you’d all be crowing about how he’s just screaming into the void and pointing out how much more he is failing to achieve. Let’s take the wins as easy as they may be, pray to all the gods that ever existed we’re not living with the alternative, and not let perfect be the enemy of good
But who was ever going to achieve this? I
Sounds like you could be on the verge of a breakthrough.
this just hurts to read friend, please, want better for yourself. We deserve more. Don’t settle for the pathetic Biden offering, you and I deserve so much more than these crumbs.
Ok, I agree, we do!
I’m curious… Can you sketch a realistic road map for me where we exist in 2023 with more than crumbs? I’m genuinely interested
The future is wide open but I’d say we’re doing the best we can possibly hope for given the last 8 years.
The collapse of the US empire is the best you can hope for.
Aren’t you satisfied by the reduced price of ten drugs???
I don’t think you’re giving it enough credit. Those are in fact very important drugs that many seniors take. It will save seniors and the government billions of dollars that can be spent elsewhere or reduce the deficit. It stretches fixed income further than before. Is it going to fix everything? No, but it’s a great step in the right direction.
Of course it’s great that the prices for these drugs are reduced. But I’m not satisfied with reduction of drug prices. I’ll be satisfied when there’s actual headway on making all healthcare accessible and guaranteed to all people as a basic human right. Until then I will continue to be a fucking prick about reduced drug prices.
I guess it’s the difference between progressive change and radical change. I’m satisfied seeing progressive change more often. But keep fighting for your end goal.
Oh my God you are telling me Biden is going to do something that directly helps pretty much only the older generations in America?
Wow that doesn’t sound like him at all and really shows that he’s come around on being what truly can be called progressive
On just one of those, because imo climate is the biggest problem right now, I think there is tons more he needs to do. We are to the point where a climate emergency needs to be instated and drastic measures need to be taken. Im talking no oversight emergencies power and regulations to industry.
We all work in different industries and could run off tons of idea per industry that could reduce emissions. Here what could be fine for tech, for example.
Mandated long 10 year support cycles on consumer goods, reparability, phasing into RISC based architectures to reduce energy consumption with a governmentally backed x86 compatibility layer funded by tax dollars to insure compatibility.
Reduce server loads by banning digital ads and tracking protocols, as well as creating site standards that reduce bloat.
Heck, incentives for work from home would drastically cut our vehicle emissions.
Im sure we all could do what I did for every single industry with even greater depth. We need a no oversight emergency collision to do just that and insights it.
I keep seeing this but I’m not sure what you all want …
Really simple. Pay close attention.
Some sort of universal healthcare Stop attacking telework as much as he currently is Stop using draconian border policies that are just as bad as Trump’s if not worse Stop attacking primary challengers like he did with Marinanne Williamson. You don’t have to like her, but the Biden Administration doing this is childish as hell. Stop running. He’s 80 years old. He’s part of the problem with politicians being too old to hold office. Biden should’ve just passed the baton instead of being stubborn like Diane Fienstein and Mitch McConnell. He also could’ve played hardball with Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin and he didn’t and the infrastructure bill was greatly watered down for it. Biden is also more anti-weed than he should be. Sure, there was that thing where he lowered the weed scheduling, but he’s made it clear before where he stands on weed and it’s dumb.
Now as for some of your points.
“attempted to forgive $10k in student loan (blocked by republican scotus, still attempting a workaround on interest at least)” He literally can forgive it all with his presidential powers. This is a classic carrot and stick routine and you fell for it.
“Dude is ticking a ton of boxes. Sure we’re not living in a socialist utopia with universal basic income, etc but it’s been 3 years”
He also ticks a lot of boxes that makes him a glorified 80s republican. All of the stuff I mentioned requires no act of congress and he has more than enough political capital to do. And even if he did all of this, he still wouldn’t be all that progressive. I really wish you neoliberal would stop with this nonsense.
Spot on.
I wasn’t a fan of how Biden quashed the railroad strike, and his response to the Maui wildfire was lackluster.
I want someone who fights like hell for my interests, not a goddamn third way triangulator.
No more hugs.
This man has made his career out of destroying the lives of poor minorities. He’s a mass murdering mysoginist white supremacist to the bone. Fucking yank politics is a shitshow.
There are certain facets to consider here. The nuance I would add is that if he campaigns as a progressive, that will be a more winning platform but they will still just be campaign promises.
Then he should do that. Then, if he doesn’t uphold his promises, we can hold his corpse accountable.
I would like to live in a world where politicians treat campaign promises as a blood oath, but we do not and cannot live in that world.
Pretty sure he lines up well with the neoliberal side of most European parties, which is on the right.
If neoliberalism means massive state intervention in investment activities, and putting up trade barriers, then the word has no meaning.
Thing is: it really has none that’s if any use globally. A “liberal” in the US is something a liberal form Europe will not recognize as even remotely similar to their own stance and vice versa.
I don’t think there is much difference in the use of the word liberal. If I compare the politics of the main liberal party in my home country (VVD in the Netherlands) there isn’t that much difference with the average Democrat in the US. The main difference is whether they are perceived as left or right wing by the population.
And it very much is neoliberal. Both parties (VVD and Democrats) are in favor of a smaller government and laissez-fair capitalism. They might need to compromise on these principles from time to time to remain popular, and in Europe maybe a bit more.
Funny thing: right wrong conspiracy nuts get their talking points from the us, so more and more people are starting to call liberals left-wing communists in Europe. So far it’s just by the people who get their talking points online.
You’re right. It’s the left/right part they seem to have shifted mostly.
Although Republican tends to be a leftist thing in monarchies like the Netherlands.
Republican means you are in favor of a republic, meaning no monarchy. Communism wants a classless society, so they are republicans as a logical consequence of the ideology. America is a democratic republic, so both Democrats and Republicans are just meaningless labels .
Look, I’d love for that to be true, but it just isn’t. Biden will win by being a boring centrist, because that’s who he is and that’s who will win a general election (generally speaking).
With the GOP going completely off the rails the easiest path to victory is to simply go middle of the road and pick up all those independents/centrists and conservatives with brains. Progressives will vote Biden regardless because Trump (or any Trump wannabe) is too terrifying of a reality.
This country has never shown it has some giant progressive silent majority - Bernie would know, he bet and lost on that materializing in his own presidential runs.
I don’t see Democrats running hard on progressive policies until either the GOP starts running moderates again (forcing Democrats to pickup votes elsewhere) or young people prove they can be a force at the ballot box.
All this is not to shit on what Biden has achieved, because he has done things for progressives, but I don’t see him suddenly switching to anything resembling a “strong progressive agenda” because it will just give his GOP opponent ammo to claim “see he’s radical too”. Biden will be the most boring, normal politician he can, while highlighting how bad things will get if his extreme opponent gets into office, and that’s probably the smartest thing to do.
This country has never shown it has some giant progressive silent majority - Bernie would know, he bet and lost on that materializing in his own presidential runs.
nonsense. The dems pulled the dirtiest tricks to kneecap bernie - including ALL of them dropping out on super Tuesday. They battled bernie harder than they fucking did trump. Don’t spread garbage like this
The dems pulled the dirtiest tricks to kneecap bernie
This was, of course, documented in the Wikileaks e-mails, whose contents were largely ignored by the mainstream media.
They never disputed the contents either.
Wikileaks selectively leaks emails to push whatever narrative they want, including leaving off timestamps to make you think emails were sent before they were. The RNC was hacked too, but we didn’t see those emails. There’s one corrupt country that hasn’t ever seemed to be attacked by Wikileaks. I wonder what all this has in common?
I wonder what all this has in common?
speculation
Spin
Bernie had a surprising turnout, and the Dems had to pull all the stops to prevent him from being the front runner. Meaning something in the ballpark of a quarter of Americans who actually bother to vote were supporting him. Far from a majority, but to your point, it’s a big and growing political force.
But I think the point stands that they aren’t likely to swing a general election. Progressives (those that actually vote at all) are almost certainly going to vote for Biden regardless how how much he panders to them. This election will be decided by a fairly small number of centrists and moderate Republicans that may have been alienated by Trump who happen to live in swing states.
Unless, of course, Biden does something monumentally stupid and pisses off the progressives so bad that they are willing to risk another Trump term and vote 3rd party, which seems unlikely.
The way people vote and the policies people actually want enacted are very different. If you’re talking specifically about how people vote, there’s a lot you can infer as to why they vote the way they do, but if we’re talking about actual policy - if people voted for policies instead of politicians, the vast majority of americans are very progressive. This is the point I was disagreeing with the commenter on.
The polls bear it out time and time again - people want progressive policy, but are afraid to vote for progressive politicians, and hedge their bets on the “safe” candidate.
Yeah, Trump’s cult and “Vote Blue No Matter Who” don’t help things either. The election system needs a major overhaul or we’re going to keep getting incompetent old guys.
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” don’t help things either
It absolutely helps. Republicans make things worse. The worst Democrat keeps things the same. Same > Worse. Vote in the Primary to decide on what Democrat gets to run.
Doesn’t help that Sanders dropped out and we ended up with Biden, who everybody thinks is a moderate but says racist shit all the time “by accident.”
People think he’s this sweet grandpa, but he’s an old man with dementia and a questionable history, who needs to retire. But he gets away with it because he’s got a D after his name.
I can’t give a shit about any negative traits that Biden has that every Republican also has worse. It comes off as apathy spreading bullshit and that’s how we got a criminal con man who attempted a coup.
I’ve yet to see any evidence that there was some orchestrated agenda against Bernie. Sure, all the moderates probably did drop out so that moderate Biden could win against Bernie. What’s wrong with that? Isn’t that sort of implicitly how it works and should work? They made a choice that sacrified their own candidacy for the sake of advancing their policy goals (through Biden).
Nor have I seen any evidence that the DNC orchestrated some sting against Bernie in 2016 - the most that ever came out of that leaked trove of DNC emails were some DNC staff saying they wanted Hillary to win - not that they were going to take any action to make that happen.
Sure, all the moderates probably did drop out so that moderate Biden could win against Bernie.
I was a bit disappointed and wanted Bernie, but you’re right that there wasn’t really anything wrong with them doing that.
Not only that, but it showed that they aren’t like the crabs in a bucket Republicans who failed to do the same because of their own egos and allowed Trump to ascend to the nomination through a series of plurality wins.
In my opinion, it shows they aren’t dumb fascists and actually put the party and their country ahead of their own power and self-interest.
We can go even further and assume the democrats were all purely working in good faith, with the end goal of helping people. Even if that were the case, the idea that americans don’t want progressive policy is still garbage and is completely trashed by polling. The polling alone disproves the commenter’s completely contrafactual claim. It’s demonstrably wrong on several levels.
regardless, the DNC could just overrule the results of the primaries if they wanted to and it’d be above board. It’s completely legal. Biden could win 100% of the vote in every primary and they could put forward some random dude from Kentucky as their candidate and it would be “how it works”. I disagree that that’s how it should work.
If it was trump v Bernie we would still have president trump right now. I’m in GA and there is basically not a single Bernie voter here. And as we all know ours and other swing states were key.
Except all polls showed the exact opposite. But keep dreaming I guess
I’m trying to follow your logic. How does other candidates dropping out on Super Tuesday screw Bernie? Those voters didn’t vote for Bernie.
Are you trying to follow my logic, or have you already reached your conclusion? Looking at your comments on just this thread, it feels like it would be a waste of time to engage
I don’t understand what your implying. If the field remained messy Bernie could have won like Trump did in 2016? Right now it reads like you assume those votes that went against Bernie would have just became his or something. Idk.
I was really clear. But now it’s really clear instead of following the thread, you’re trying to shoehorn in your opinions, under the guise of “oh please help me understand”. That’s why I explained that it’s a waste of time to engage.
I simply ask why everyone dropping out on Super Tuesday is a dirty trick. I can’t even tell you if I agree or disagree with your conclusion because I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. You took the time to reply again without explaining yourself, so clearly it’s not about wasting time.
ok, see ya later
because it will just give his GOP opponent ammo to claim “see he’s radical too”.
But they already do that, so why care?
I voted for Biden in hopes that
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The clown show would be over
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We would get one nice progressive win.
He gave me half of what I wanted. So I guess partial victory.
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If the independent litmus test were “do you find some of Trump’s policies acceptable?” then sure, I would agree with you. But that’s incorrect. Republicans embracing full-blown insanity has taken them out of the running for many independents, leaving them only with whomever the Dems decide to nominate.
So in that sense I suppose you’re right–when one of the choices is always hate-fueled insanity, many independents become de facto Dems.
Trump =/= Republican Party Independent =/= centrist (or whatever you mean by “someone that has a so-so opinion of trump” and most centrists I know dislike him. idk the statistics of independent support of Trump, but I would guess that it is very low)
Independents exist, as independents are just voters with no allegiance to one particular party. (Sometimes third-parties are included) This includes centrists, libertarians, and anyone who doesn’t want to choose the lesser of two evils. Just because you have been polarized doesn’t mean everyone has.
You don’t know anyone who doesn’t vote for the same party in every single election? I know several, and my wife and I decide who to vote for each election based on their platform and track record rather than the letter next to their name.
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I’m an embarassed conservative that votes for Democrats 95% + of the time (basically 100% in the current environment)? Ok, buddy, keep telling yourself whatever makes you happy inside of your bubble.
This country has never shown it has some giant progressive silent majority - Bernie would know, he bet and lost on that materializing in his own presidential runs.
Yea I laughed when I read this headline. Man who failed to win with strategy thinks candidate will win with same strategy.
He had better. Nothing worse than an incumbent democrat losing to fascists.
Can you rephrase it? I don’t think I get what you mean.
Sure thing!
I hope the incumbent democrat wins because otherwise, if a fascist won that would be terrible.
Hope that helps!
Alright, thank you!
The alternative for president is either Trump or a Trump wannabe
This country didnt turn fascist on republicans alone. Dems and their ratchet effect helped immensely
No more please can we just get normal human beings as presidential candidates and not whatever the fuck this has been?
They don’t exist. Not in politics, at least. All we get are crooks and 80 year olds.
They don’t exist. Not in politics, at least. All we get are crooks and 80 year olds.
In a real way, both major parties are still fighting out the battles of the civil rights era, and are effectively led by people who came of age then. Unfortunately, that they (or their ideas) are still running the show in the way that they are means both parties are stuck in a particular past, forever trying to avoid the calamity they’re fighting to un-do
The GOP’s leadership is fighting like a wounded animal to un-do desegregation and Roe, and to dismantle voting rights and industrial regulation
The Dem’s leadership have spent decades fighting super-hard to prevent their voters from advancing progressives out of primaries and into general elections. McGovern’s loss in 1972, they think, is forever evidence that progressives can’t win and their subsequent curb-stomping of progressives (denying them party support, fighting hard to prevent them from winning primaries) serves as evidence to their way of thinking that ‘progressives can’t win’.
That this last bit (progs can’t win, never mind we make sure they can’t, so you have to vote for what wins or else all is lost) begs the question it pretends to answer seems pretty obvious to me. It has the same energy as saying ‘socialism doesn’t work’ and then pointing to socialist governments that ‘didn’t work’ because CIA ran coups to depose them and replace them with right-wing dictatorships. Of course these things don’t work when you kill them off, the whole argument becomes self-fulfilling and circular.
Biden is a normal Politician. Someone with of a wealth of experience in different levels of government who was elected slightly late. People seem to forget that younger less experienced candidates seldom live up to their hype. Obama never lived up to his hype, despite imo being a very good President. When you aren’t experienced you can run on all these ideals and naivety. You get into the job and the reality hit you like a freight train. We all need to not get lost in “Not Progressive Enough”, awhile the other side is pushing Regressive policies; It’s far easier to tear something down than it is to build it.
Yeah…no. Enough of the fucking 70+ year olds. I’m so fucking tired of people who should be fucking retired owning and running everything. Fuck the mother fucking hell off fossils. God damn it. Enough with the fucking retirement home bullshit. Holy fucking hell.
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Stop putting old farts in leading roles.
I’m 35 and I already feel a little out of touch tbh. It’s insane people in their 80s being in positions of power is so normalized.
To old to be on a jury but not too old to make the law.
Atleast with Biden there’s a good chance Harris will have to step up and become first female president
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These are the old fucks deciding things.
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After the last guy the country just needed a guy who mostly plays but the rules, as unwritten as they are. Understands the system. Makes the country look like its head is connected to the neck. Generally speaks diplomatically. Doesn’t have too many ideas that are way outside center. Looks after the little guy sometimes. Hires advisors who have a clue.
We got that guy. That’s a good thing.
Now we need a newer, younger person with vision. Somebody who can help rebuild an American dream. Somebody who will be alive to see their dream come true. Somebody who can get everyone excited about figuring out what it means to be an American. Somebody who can set aggressive goals and make the case for why we should pursue them, and get the ball rolling. Somebody who shows the average American that their life specifically can be better tomorrow than it is today.
Regrettably that person will still struggle to defeat the ancient skeleton incumbents.
skeleton incumbents
quit packing congress with them then and demand age limits
You know what’s easier than buying old politicians with track records? Buying young outsiders with no record that can just say what you want to hear then pass bills written by lobbyists.
Maybe the problem is the buying and not the age of the product
Biden is too old to run. And Trump is a liar, criminal, un-American, and working to get rid of our democracy, AND is too OLD. But it looks like I will be voting for Biden again. And he has done some good things while in office.
So, I hope that Biden will have a moment of clarity about the needs of the middle class and poor people of the US. And he’ll want to die of old age with history saying he was very helpful in fighting for policies to help us.
Maybe. But I do know Republicans don’t believe in our democracy and they don’t want young people voting. They want to rule us with religion even though they are a small part of your nation.
Donald Trump is the most American American that ever Americaned.
And Trump is a liar
You might wanna catch up on Biden’s past.
Hey everyone, go outside and find some grass and take your shoes off and put your feet in it. Stand there for a minute or two and just feel the grass on your feet. Have fun!
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Biden? a progressive? yea right.
Biden is a far right fascist. It’s just that the GOP are even more far right and actual terrorists.
How dare that fascist try to give college students debt relief.
Darn that fascist for… supporting community policing and lowering the cost of medicine?
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Except he doesn’t want that at all. There was some half baked proposal just so the dems could claim they’ve tried while they fully expected and probably hoped that the GOP would stop it.
Is there any evidence to support that claim?
This is what I’ve been telling people too. Also, didn’t they have 2 years to get this done when they had majority in the house and actually could have pushed it through?
I don’t like the guy, but he’s far from a fascist. And if it comes to between him and Trump again, you can damn well be sure I’ll be voting for Biden.
Also, when you use fascist that way you weaken the terminology, to the point where people throw that term around and it becomes meaningless. Much like the Republican party tries to do with all of the terms that have been thrown at them.
He can run on a strong progressive agenda, but we all know it’s all talk and no substance.
“I can’t believe what you say because I see what you do.” James Baldwin
Maybe the US should create a “Geriatric Party”, where all these senile diaper wearers are put in a home.
Voting for a guy who has at MOST 5 years to live is not good foresight, regardless of what political party you rally behind.
Any human being of any age is better than a Republican fascist.
Sure, especially one who says racist garbage “by mistake.” /s
We need to do better than these senile geriatrics.
Great, so what’s your plan? Pick your favorite 3rd party candidate and hope 100,000,000 other people who’ve never voted 3rd party before decide this is the year, and they magically pick the same 3rd party candidate as you?
We need an overhaul of our election system. Having Biden vs Trump with no hope of a third candidate ever being successful isn’t sustainable. These geriatrics need to go.
“sorry, best I can do is neoliberal”
