🇪🇺🇺🇦 European government officials are working on a new, comprehensive package to increase defense spending and support Kyiv, - Berliner Zeitung
🇩🇪 Baerbock hinted that it could be ~€700 billion: “We will launch a large package that has never been seen on this scale before.”
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If the U.S. doesn’t want to be a part of NATO anymore, than they can get their military bases off of NATO territory and European countries can (and should) up their spending to re-man and re-arm those bases under the flags of countries that aren’t dickheads.
I don’t think Trump understands just how much of America’s global exercise of power relies on the good will of having countries willing to have them in their territory.
Europe also fell behind significantly in everything space. SpaceX has cheap reusable rockets and shovels satellites into orbit by the bucketload.
Europe needs its own Starlink like space infrastructure.
EU only needs anti starlink guns and keep the sky accessible amd pristine
Space gun needs to be in space obviously.
European companies like Nokia and Ericsson are sitting on a technology enabling direct to cell 5G from LEO satellites. Trials were made. You don’t need fancy terminals, regular cell phone works.
We have ESA and French made fantastic Ariadne rockets. Not reusable, true, but do you doubt if funding was not a problem the same engineers couldn’t make reusable rocket?
iMHO the problem is how can we compete with Starlink and SpaceX both extremely heavily funded by US taxpayers money. We can’t afford to burn money as fast as they can and not be profitable for a long time.
Falcon 9 flew 2010 for the first time. ESA’s Themis hasn’t had its first flight yet more than a decade later. Until this rocket is ready another few years will pass. That means europe is 20 years behind the USA in technology. China is ahead of Europe in space technology now.
Germany isn’t even part of Themis.
That’s the utter shambles of Europe’s independent access to space.
Ariane was once a world leader.
The US VP went to NATO and said, “NATO was great when we shared democratic values; now that we’re focusing on xenophobic nationalism and cultural purity, NATO is not our style.” The old East-West world balance has been teetering for years, and now it’s time we all go to war again.
That’s not even the whole story… He also told European governments to embrace far-right MAGA style populists.
If they could jsut fuck off silently and keep their insanity contained in the US this would already be an improvment.
31 countries stand alone as one leaves :p
The one has more military might then the 31, and it’s not close.
That’s the entire problem being discussed here.
“Oops we delegated our defense to a friend who got a brain worm.”
The one has more military might then the 31, and it’s not close.
And the source is the same media that also tells you fairy tales about how the US can’t afford health care because they need to spend money on
their MICEurope…
Where is this graphic from?
thanks Finland for almost solo carrying EU on the Artillery category 🤣
Annalena <3
Habeck <3
Yeah, absolutely. Despite all the grief she gets the truth is she’s been thrown straight in the deep end with all the shit that’s been going on the last few years. We’ve had much worse and she has been handling it exceptionally well.
But one thing gets me every time: “ebend”
Let’s call it dEUfence
Russia basically 3-day’ing again, this time using the Russian proxy pawn to try to force a regional defeat and instead uniting opposition in a way that cannot be as easily controlled while their economy continues to crumble. Tact, as Russian as their ability to value and reward their most valuable resources like Prigozhin and his Wagner Group.
well putler said he wanted US Military-Industrial Complex outside of EU, he forgot to ask for EU not to becomes a US bis MIC wise 🤣.
I’ve been saying this for months. Europe needs to adopt a wartime stance and shovel everything to Ukraine. They should have started churning shit out two years ago, but they didn’t think we’d be stupid enough to re-elect GröpenFührer.
Boy, did we prove THEM wrong, eh?
EU needs a hard win and Ukraine is such opportunity. Defeat Russia within Europe and tell US to suck it, tell them to pull out of their bases
Stick it to the man!! 😜
This is great news. Ukraine borders Europe, not America. Let them focus in making America “great” and we’ll help our neighbors.
Ukraine borders Europe
Sure, in the same way that Ohio “borders” the US.
Also Russian in its legitimate borders makes up almost half of the European continent. There is multiple different “geographic midpoints of Europe” based on calculation methods. Most of them are in the Baltic states, Belarus or Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_midpoint_of_Europe
When we are past this whole mess we need to stop thinking of the EU as “Europe” and the other half of the European continent as “not Europe”.
Also ethnically speaking Slavs are the largest ethnic group in Europe with about 300 Million people.
Also Russian in its legitimate borders makes up almost half of the European continent.
Not sure if land mass is exactly prevalent in this, as most of Russia is just colonized portions of Asia.
When we are past this whole mess we need to stop thinking of the EU as “Europe” and the other half of the European continent as “not Europe”.
It takes two to tango… A lot of the modern ideas separating Russia from Europe was done as a way to validate Russian imperialism. This idea is being continued by people like Putin for the same reasons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism
Also ethnically speaking Slavs are the largest ethnic group in Europe with about 300 Million people.
Yeah… But thinking of Slavs as a monoculture is really dated, and kinda goes against the way we classify ethnicities all together. East, West and Southern Slavs are separated by distinct cultural groups, religions, languages, and about 1500 years of history.
Not sure if land mass is exactly prevalent in this, as most of Russia is just colonized portions of Asia.
Well, the Area of the Russian Federation in Europe is 39% of the European landmass. This has nothing to do with the Asian part of Russia. The Russian Federation is about 1.7-1.8x the landmass of the European continent.
And with a hundred million Russians living in the European part, that makes the largest ethnical group, considering the differences between the slavic ethnicities. You are right about there being more than just a slavic “monoculture”. Still until the fall of the Soviet Union, public perception in the Western European side mostly lumped them together as “The Russians”. And Ukraine and Belarus were part of that lump, well past that. Seeing Ukraine as part of “Europe” in that Western European sense only became more commonplace over the past decade. And of course there have been incidents in Western European countries like Germany, where Ukrainian refugees were assaulted in public, because their attackers thought them to be Russians…
Either way it shows that Ethnical, Cultural and Historical divides are a poor and often arbitrary metric to justify modern Nations borders, both in joining or separating areas.
Well, the Area of the Russian Federation in Europe is 39% of the European landmass. This has nothing to do with the Asian part of Russia. The Russian Federation is about 1.7-1.8x the landmass of the European continent.
Still… I don’t really know how mostly empty tundra is really prevalent to the discussion.
And with a hundred million Russians living in the European part, that makes the largest ethnical group, considering the differences between the slavic ethnicities.
This is true, and I do wish there wasn’t an artificial constructed delineation between Russia and the rest of Europe. However, I don’t really know how western Europe is really meant to overcome this considering Russian cultural ideology is still being haunted by the specter of the Russian empire.
As someone who’s ethnically East asian, its always funny when I hear Russians consider themselves “The East”, when the only historical ties they have to the actual East is European styled imperialism.
Ethnical, Cultural and Historical divides are a poor and often arbitrary metric to justify modern Nations borders, both in joining or separating areas.
100% agree.
We should think as United States of Europe / Not United States of Europe… Being between to power hungry “president” should push EU to move toward federalism but only after Ukraine and Moldova joined (and I’m sorry for Switzerland that will be stucked in the middle of one country: your fault for that 😛 )
and I’m sorry for Switzerland that will be stucked in the middle of one country: your fault for that 😛
Don’t worry for us, we will be happy to see a united Europe, that might even convince the old swiss-german to vote “ja” this time. We’ll stay open for you guys, specially if you buy our chocolate, watches and some weapons parts.
In my vision for our future (call it science fiction), Europe as a continent is a federal block, including Russia. One big colour on the map, from Atlantic to Pacific (a friendly and peaceful colour, one that prefer having orgies and eat good food but that will wreck you if you annoy it).
I am also for more European integration. There needs to be a vision though that Russia is part of Europe and when we are past Putin, we need to be able to integrate Russia, if they want to, rather than going for the next confrontation.
there are 2 problems with that:
- We are not sure the successor of putin will not be worst than him
- We have yet to see if russia will stop their hybrid war on EU when the peace is signed in Ukraine. (hybrid war that started waaaayyyy before the Ukrainian invasion, during the middle of the 00’)
Trust between russia and all others european countries are really heavily damaged. The east part of the EU will needs decades before they can decide not to veto anything positive to russia. Poland is the new gravity center of EU and still has yet to forgive WW2 invasion and the split of it’s country.
Listen, I can’t understand you with Putin’s dick in your mouth.
Yeah.This thread is just plain boring AF, regardless of notable individual contributions, because it’s the same content you can get on c/worldnews. That’s why we have Rule #6. Among other reasons, it’s to keep NCD threads from becoming redundant. Friends don’t let friends become worldnews.
