I wouldn’t buy one, but I understand making your new assets or code paid. Some mods need a ton of work, just take a look at realistic textures for Minecraft for instance.
But DLSS is an Nvidia DLL, you’re not even licensed to redistribute it - and you’re not doing anything special, you’re hooking into the data the engine spews out for FSR.
It’s not original work. The reason he can do that to Starfield but not, say, Bully Scholarship Edition is because the work was done for him on Starfield: the engine already provides the data.
Replacements from FSR 2 to DLSS are not uncommon, not new, and not special. They require very little work.
There is indeed a tiny nugget of original code there, but it’s absolutely useless without the actual DLSS tech and the actual engine doing the work.
Knowing how to do the work is most of the value here. Yes, it’s easy for those of us with the knowhow, but most people do not have that.
Think of an artist who can whip up a cool drawing in about 10 minutes. It was “easy” in the moment, but only because they spent years learning and practicing the skills to make it so. You aren’t entitled to that artists labor for free just because it only took them a few minutes.
Sit your average gamer down with a copy of Starfield and nvngx_dlss.dll and they won’t be able to do anything useful with it.
It’s great that most modders and some artists like to share their work for free with the rest of the world, but the rest of us aren’t entitled to any of it.
An artist isn’t going to continue making modifications to a painting once you’ve bought it, not unless you pay them to do so. Presuming they aren’t feeling generous with their time.
I still might choose to take a picture of my buddy’s cool drawing that he bought rather than buying my own copy. Though I agree that I am certainly not entitled to a free print at the author’s expense.
Conversely, if I bought that drawing myself and it came with reflective glass glued to the front, so that pictures turned out blurry, I might be a little annoyed. Now I can’t roll it up and put it with my other drawings without special accommodations. Also, I bought it and if I want to take a picture of it or wipe my ass with it then that is my choice. Making the life of your customers more difficult so you can make a little extra money is going to lose you some of those customers.
Not that I begrudge someone for making good money, but that dude said he is making $40k a month from his Patreon for DLSS3 mods. Does he really feel like he isn’t get paid what his time was worth, or is he just getting greedy in a community that is usually more aligned with FOSS concepts?
Honestly, 90% of programming work now is “I got X library to work inside of Y new system in Z engine”. It makes sense too - it’s exceedingly rare that it makes sense to reinvent someone else’s wheel - and at times, not insignificant to implement the right hooks.
Things don’t need to be novel and amazing to be marketable. And if it’s that trivial, rather than pirating it people would just rewrite it. The fact that they’re stealing it means it has value.
But DLSS is an Nvidia DLL, you’re not even licensed to redistribute it - and you’re not doing anything special, you’re hooking into the data the engine spews out for FSR.
If it’s not anything special, someone else could just “easily” reproduce it instead of having to pirate it?
I wouldn’t buy one, but I understand making your new assets or code paid. Some mods need a ton of work, just take a look at realistic textures for Minecraft for instance.
But DLSS is an Nvidia DLL, you’re not even licensed to redistribute it - and you’re not doing anything special, you’re hooking into the data the engine spews out for FSR.
So trying to sell that is absolutely pathetic.
The author wasn’t selling DLSS, they were selling a shim to make it work with Starfield. That does require original work.
It’s not original work. The reason he can do that to Starfield but not, say, Bully Scholarship Edition is because the work was done for him on Starfield: the engine already provides the data.
Replacements from FSR 2 to DLSS are not uncommon, not new, and not special. They require very little work.
There is indeed a tiny nugget of original code there, but it’s absolutely useless without the actual DLSS tech and the actual engine doing the work.
Knowing how to do the work is most of the value here. Yes, it’s easy for those of us with the knowhow, but most people do not have that.
Think of an artist who can whip up a cool drawing in about 10 minutes. It was “easy” in the moment, but only because they spent years learning and practicing the skills to make it so. You aren’t entitled to that artists labor for free just because it only took them a few minutes.
Sit your average gamer down with a copy of Starfield and
nvngx_dlss.dlland they won’t be able to do anything useful with it.It’s great that most modders and some artists like to share their work for free with the rest of the world, but the rest of us aren’t entitled to any of it.
The difference is that you only pay for an artist’s picture once.
You only have to pay for this mod once.
An artist isn’t going to continue making modifications to a painting once you’ve bought it, not unless you pay them to do so. Presuming they aren’t feeling generous with their time.
I still might choose to take a picture of my buddy’s cool drawing that he bought rather than buying my own copy. Though I agree that I am certainly not entitled to a free print at the author’s expense.
Conversely, if I bought that drawing myself and it came with reflective glass glued to the front, so that pictures turned out blurry, I might be a little annoyed. Now I can’t roll it up and put it with my other drawings without special accommodations. Also, I bought it and if I want to take a picture of it or wipe my ass with it then that is my choice. Making the life of your customers more difficult so you can make a little extra money is going to lose you some of those customers.
Not that I begrudge someone for making good money, but that dude said he is making $40k a month from his Patreon for DLSS3 mods. Does he really feel like he isn’t get paid what his time was worth, or is he just getting greedy in a community that is usually more aligned with FOSS concepts?
Honestly, 90% of programming work now is “I got X library to work inside of Y new system in Z engine”. It makes sense too - it’s exceedingly rare that it makes sense to reinvent someone else’s wheel - and at times, not insignificant to implement the right hooks.
Things don’t need to be novel and amazing to be marketable. And if it’s that trivial, rather than pirating it people would just rewrite it. The fact that they’re stealing it means it has value.
The fact that they’re stealing it means it’s priced above its perceived value though.
So it has perceived value…
But that guy above was saying that it’s worthless and trivial to implement…
You can’t have it both ways.
That’s not true at all. People often steal because they value the item but cannot afford the price.
They don’t need to be, you’re right. They should be more than a third party’s DLL file though.
They did in less than 24 hours.
DLSS is got a lot of value, people want that into their games. If that’s using two lines of code from modder X or Y is irrelevant.
Strange how they felt the need to pirate his non-work instead of just doing it themselves?
Considering there are 3 alternative versions, free, made in less than 24 hours, looks like people made it themselves.
But alas, commenting without a 10 second search is a good idea indeed.
There’s no need to do a search. People are paying for this product. Meaning they couldn’t find it elsewhere.
Do you copy and paste comments from reddit? I read this exact comment last night I am SURE of it
So NVidia’s DLLs for DLSS are not included? (Honest question, I don’t even own the game.)
You can get the DLL very easily and legally, NVidia doesn’t lock their DLLs.
I don’t know in this particular case, but the mods I have seen require you to provide the Nvidia DLL yourself.
If it’s not anything special, someone else could just “easily” reproduce it instead of having to pirate it?
They have, literally just a few hours slower than this guy charging people: https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/761
If it’s so trivial to do why doesn’t everyone do it on their own?
If it’s any easy mod to replicate it seems like it won’t have much self life as a paid mod.
They did. I can browse Nexus Mods today and there’s alternative DLSS injectors.
Consider doing a 5 minute search before replying.
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You might want to ask that to the journalist, not me.
Your post was quicker, don’t be so ratty.
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