Woke up to my computer being updated to W11 from W10, not too happy about that. I want to use massgrave to change my window to W10 LTSC.
I am not interested in Linux.
So, I went to massgrave.dev and did the script, hit 1, etc. It just say something about permanent changed to key or whatever.
So I went download W10 LTSC iso, hit setup.exe and it asked me for product key. I entered my key, say it’s not right one.
So could somebody run me step by step how to go about it? I’m not really tech savvy. I want literal step by step, telling me exactly what to do.
Thank you.
I am not interested in Linux.
Open BSD then?.. Ahahha
You are on Lemmy, which shows that you weren’t deterred from learning about all the instances and stuff. So you are open to learning. So I would slowly dip my toes into Linux if there’s no Windows specific software you absolutely depend on.
I would suggest Linux Mint: https://www.linuxmint.com/
This is beginner friendly and for the most part can be operated pretty much like Windows. Slowly, you will get used to typing in commands into the terminal to maybe update and upgrade your system. Online instructions to install programs are widly available to find (install [program] on ubuntu/debian) can be easy since it’s based off of ubuntu/debian
Now, if you really want to use windows for whatever reason, everything is already on the massgrave website for you to read and install.
https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media
Linux will show you how to troubleshoot and use your computer more efficiently and not spy on you.
Windows will simultaneously spy on you and still shit itself so you’ll still have to learn to troubleshoot. Give it a few years, and Windows will enshitify further. You’re just delaying the inevitable.
I am not interested in Linux.
Pretty much, everyone praise Linux here. I tried few favors of Linux, could never get into it. They say you have total control over it and yet I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands and stuff like that. Looking for hidden files and all. I just gave up. Windows is just too convenient for me.
Well… i mean you could just run as root just like you would as as an admin user on windows. But that violates basic security principles.
Also, you gave up because you couldnt figure how to display hidden files?.. its litterally a setting in the file explorer program just like windows. Ctrl±H is a common shortcut to toggle it. Or in the terminal, the command is ‘ls -a’
Depending what your doing with the system, you shouldnt ever need to touch the terminal.
But without the terminal, you will struggle to have total control of the system and will be as limited as windows.
How do you expect to do anything in the terminal if you’re not typing the right commands? Things tend to not work when you do them wrong…
Yeah Lemmy is very Linux oriented :). Though I do agree Linux is harder to get into but that’s not because GNU/Linux is difficult, it’s because we were so much accustomed to how Windows work !
I don’t really remember because it has been ages, but I’m sure my first steps with Windows 98 where awful and not easy and intuitive at all !
Linux has a lot of issues so does Windows (and MacOS) and learning a whole new paradigm of a working system takes time and some investement, but after you get the basic gists, Linux gives you total control of everything ! (Like to see hidden directories is like Windows, just a check box to show hidden files :) don’t need a CLI for that)
You rarely need the use of the Terminal when on easier distributions like PopOS or Ubuntu (while I wouldn’t suggest the later), However if you tried more difficult distribution first (like arch and derivatives), CLI is mandatory !
Not saying YOU should switch, do whatever makes you happy, more productive and vibes with your current needs/feeling…
However, If you feel the need to switch the Linux community will always welcome you :) Keep in mind, there are good people and a**holes everywhere !
Glad you solved your issue with massgrave, which is a great tool :) ! Have fun with your system !
Edit: Sorry for the off topic XD discussion got a bit heated up haha ! I’m kinda surprised it didn’t got deleted !
I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands
Lmao are you serious? Did you struggle with it not opening the right applications unless you click the right icons as well?
Dude, don’t make fun. They’re not belittling the system or its users, they’re admitting they struggled with it. I wish all criticism of Linux was like that. People have the right to their choices and preferences.
Struggling with commands is absolutely fine and is expected for majority of the users including some veterans trying something new. But the joke here is specifically “They say you have total control over it and yet”… Then proceeds to say writing the wrong command doesn’t let you do what you want. I don’t understand why you would be writing in commands on your own when you don’t even understand how to use it. Just follow a blog post on how to do X or you post a question for help with said commands. Saying telling the computer to do something else resulted in something else being performed and complaining you don’t have control over it is just plain stupidity.
Precisely this.
The user is free to use whatever they want but I’m quite sure windows won’t read their mind either so that argument (if you dare to call it that) is pretty much weightless.
Yep I’m serious.
lsto list files
ls -ato list all files (including hidden)
ls -lto list files with their attributes
ls -lato list all files with their attributesYou can add a path after the command and parameters if you want to look in a folder you’re not in.
Don’t hate the OS for a skill issue, learn the basics, it’s way more efficient and you can even bring some of it back to Windows in PowerShell.
Linux is way easier to use once you break up with Windows. Hell, you can pretty much bump around in just the desktop environment if you really wanted - especially in something like Ubuntu where there are GUI applications for like everything.
I’m sorry but it’s still complicated for me. Learn basic? I just want to click, right click and stuff just happen. Terminals sucks for folks like me. I’m gonna hate it all I want.
Throw Linux Mint on a VM and give it a swing.
Wut
Linux Mint is another flavor that is geared for easy beginner friendly people.
That’s ok, I’m not sure why people here wants you to learn terminal commands, Linux have also easy distributions like LinuxMint meant for you.
They say you have total control over it
You do.
yet I struggled with terminal blocking me from doing anything unless I run right commands
I mean, would you prefer the terminal simply guess at what you’re trying to do and execute random commands?
Looking for hidden files and all.
[xanza@dev ~]$ ll total 76 drwxr-sr-x 11 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 15 02:05 ./ drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Mar 10 22:16 ../ -rw------- 1 xanza xanza 8677 Mar 15 02:05 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 xanza xanza 887 Mar 13 19:26 .bashrc drwxr-sr-x 5 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 12 22:37 .cache/ -rw-r--r-- 1 xanza xanza 484 Mar 15 01:38 .caddy drwxr-sr-x 9 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 12 22:32 .config/ drwx--S--- 3 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 11 21:23 .docker/ -rw-r--r-- 1 xanza xanza 52 Mar 10 23:13 .gitconfig drwxr-sr-x 3 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 10 23:05 .go/ drwxr-sr-x 6 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 12 18:47 .local/ -rw-r--r-- 1 xanza xanza 49 Mar 10 23:41 .profile drwxr-sr-x 2 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 10 22:38 .sockets/ drwxr-sr-x 2 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 10 22:27 .ssh/ drwxr-sr-x 3 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 15 01:20 .vim/ drwxr-sr-x 4 xanza xanza 4096 Mar 10 23:08 go/ -rw-r--r-- 1 xanza xanza 267 Mar 12 18:31 justfileHidden files in *nix are dotfiles; files which are literally hidden from view because they’re appended with a
..Too complicated for me.
That’s an exceedingly poor attitude. How do you expect to learn anything in life, let alone something you seem to want to learn with that attitude?
I don’t expect to learn Linux.
I don’t expect you will either.
The gracefulness of how the point flew right over your head was breathtaking
ll is an alias of
ls -lanot all distros will knowllby default unless you add it to your aliases.I was demonstrating the ease of showing hidden files, not proselytizing that
llis in every distro… Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with this post.Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish with this post.
Probably trying to stop OP from typing
llin a distro where it doesn’t exist and getting even more entrenched in their belief that Linux is hard.Again, you’re completely missing the point here. Focusing on the wrong thing. Goose for the gander.
You can’t really downgrade Windows.
If you’ve downloaded Windows 10 LTSC from massgrave, then you need to burn it to a CD (lol) or put it on a USB drive and completely re-install Windows.
Then when you’ve setup windows, execute the massgrave script to activate windows permanently. Then, while you’re at it, you can grab Privatezilla which allows you to completely disable forced windows updates so this won’t happen to you again.
He should be able to revert for some time, but the way to do that should be easy to google. If this isn’t trolling?
You need to wipe your drive and reinstall windows in order to switch to the ltsc branch.
This said, are you aware that windows 10 dies in October and any security issues (~50 discovered every month, although not all very serious) won’t get patched anymore?
Better get used now to w11 or Linux rather than next year after automatically getting a ransomware and losing all your data after visiting a dodgy site
I’ve read somewhere that Microsoft will be charging for extended windows 10 support. And I’ve also read that somebody is planning a project to be able to download the windows 10 extended support patches without Microsoft. Can’t remember where I read it
Remember when Microsoft said Win10 would be the last windows? That would have been cool.
Yeah it would have. Microsoft sucks 😆
I thought LTSC have 10 years support?
LTSC IOT does
Just FYI. Microsoft Windows IoT is Microsoft Windows Enterprise. They are the same thing. Saying “IOT does” as if they’re not the same thing is incorrect.
There’s LTSC and LTSC IOT. And they’re both Enterprise. The difference is 5 years support and 10 years support.
Only if you install w10 1809 that was released in 2018. It is ancient and missing so many features that’s almost using another operating system. But at least will get security updates until 2028
Otherwise they altered the deal, latest ltsc was released in 2021 with only 5 years of security updates
On the Enterprise channel, it does. Until 2032, IIRC. So you’ll need either Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, or Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC.
2032 is only for iot version that’s designed for ATM and similar appliances, missing too many features to be considered a good alternative
what features does it miss? it is perfectly capable of running firefox, steamd and games, and whatever else.
it does not have that crap microsoft store, that’s it. but if you really need it, you can install it and then it’s there.I never personally used it but there are a lot of posts of people complaining that something is broken because the software is assuming to run on latest and greatest windows 10, especially games and anticheat. There’s also a post on Reddit of someone complaining “it doesn’t have Windows spotlight, how can I enable it” (the sponsored link ads on the lock screen) but that’s a pro, not a con…
- IoT was not designed at all for ATMs. Windows IoT, also known as Windows embedded was designed for low power, embedded systems which in exactly zero ways describes ATMs. The banking industry has decided to use this version of Windows because it comes with the features they need with the longest support channel. That’s it. IoT was not designed for ATMs.
- Windows IoT is Windows Enterprise. They are the same thing:
Windows IoT Enterprise is a full version of Windows Enterprise that delivers enterprise manageability and security to IoT solutions. 1
Windows Enterprise (including Windows IoT) LTSC ends mainstream support Jan 12, 2027, and security updates will continue until 2032.
You have to install Windows LTSC fresh then run massgrave. Product keys for the versions of Windows are different
https://rentry.co/MR-EverythingWindowsExplained#installing-windows has further info, but tl;dr- install without a key, then use MASgrave after it’s installed.
I’m pretty sure your supposed to set up W10 first (press “I don’t have a product key”) and then run the script after it puts you in
