Yup, boarder towns in red states are going to start stopping women as they travel through their towns to make sure they aren’t pregnant.
Remember
kidsadults dangerously close to popping out unwanted kids, Don’t talk to the policeYou ain’t gotta tell them where you’re going, what you’re doing, or why you’re there. You get pulled over, hand them what they ask for and keep your mouth shut
“I decline to answer any questions without an attorney present.”
“I do not consent to any search.”
Tattoo those sentences on the inside of your eyelids.
It is crazy that you need to think like a criminal or a corporate espionage target, but…
Consider backing your phone up and then wiping it. Some business folks do this to avoid having sensitive information on devices they must hand over to the TSA. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/how-can-i-wipe-and-restore-tablets-and-phones-for-travel/
And ffs, leave it at home or put it in a faraday bag (<$20 on Amazon), because phones track where you go, and the government will absolutely use that against you.
Remember kids adults dangerously close to popping out unwanted kids, Don’t talk to the police
This.
Don’t be friendly. You didn’t just come from a friend’s house. Because for all you know, the cops may have been staking out his house, and if there’s actually any illegal activity going on there, you just implicated yourself as being a part of it or at the very least a customer, whether or not you were actually there to engage in illegal activity or actually just visiting a friend.
Whatever that smell is, you don’t smell anything. I don’t care if it’s a funky air freshener or you’re carrying a truckload of weed. You didn’t smell anything and you’ve never so much as smoked a joint in your life. Saying “The last time I smoked was…” is admittance that you use controlled substances and in some cases could give the cop reason to believe that you’re still under the influence.
No, you don’t know exactly how fast you were going because you’re paying attention to the road, not the speedometer. You were just going with the flow of traffic.
I don’t care if you were supposed to be there half an hour ago. You’re not late for anything. Asking the cop to hurry or whatever because you’re late is just going to get him to intentionally take longer either just to make your life miserable or in hopes that you’ll become frustrated and start saying things you wouldn’t normally say so he can get more info out of you.
And I fucking hate Hate HATE the “ask if you’re being detained. Ask if you’re free to go” advice. All this does is antagonize the cop. All it does is make them believe that you’re nervous about something, and they’re going to want to know why. And if you start off the conversation being adversarial like that, the cop is much more likely to try to make your life as miserable as possible. Watch an episode of COPS. When most people try this line of defense, they often do so in the most unnatural way possible, acting as if they’re still in the process of memorizing a script. It just gives off the impression that you have something to hide. The only time you should ask “am I free to go” is after the cop already gave you your documents back and you’re just clarifying whether or not he’s done yet. The only time you should say things like this are when they are a direct response to a cop’s question or actions where that kind of response would be appropriate. But randomly blurting out “Am I free to go? Am I being detained? I do not consent to this!” or other lines at random just pisses the cop off and gives them the idea that you’ve got something to hide. So what do you say instead of that? FUCKING NOTHING.
If it’s truly just a routine traffic stop, give them the documents, say nothing, take the citation or whatever, and be on your way. Take the rest of it up with the judge. The only time you should be saying anything at all, is if it’s absolutely necessary and if it looks like it’s going to go beyond just a routine stop.
I’ve seen too many people either try to be overly friendly, believing that if they’re forthcoming the cop will work with them, or just argumentative and turning what would have been a routine citation into an arrest because they either admitted to actual crimes they committed in the process or got a little too argumentative with the cop and ending up in cuffs and facing an obstruction charge.
“Excuse me ma’am, I’m going to need to see your uterus before you enter Mississippi”.
“Ma’am please exit the vehicle and get on the mobile gyno exam bed. I’m also going to need your license, registration and a detailed lifetime sexual history. This is all very routine and for your safety I assure you.”
That has to violate the 4th Amendment.
From The Bill of Rights:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
You can’t just assume any & all pregnant women are going to get an abortion, so that’s not probable cause.
as if these lunatics care for the constitution and its rights, unless it benefits them.
Nah, they never gave a shit about the Constitution. It’s just like the Bible for them, they can tell their voters it says whatever they want it to and they know damn well none of them have ever read it and never will.
And the bible means whatever they want it to mean. They make whatever argument will support their position of power, credible or not.
They haven’t even gone to the trouble of making a version of the Bible that supports their worldview.
That’s not true! Every time a room full of 6 years gets shot up they read half of the second amendment! They never read the rest but go fuck yourself if you’re going to stop them from murdering rooms of children.
Just need an attorney that wants to stand agaisnt this. Every woman pulled over in these cities should call them up and he sues the city under the 4th ammendment.
They’ll all go broke pretty quick and their courts will be tied up permanently. Either the town will financially collapse or realise that the law is just to harrass people.
The people that would want to die over this are probably, sadly enough, the ones who cannot even afford to do so as they’d be financially ruined for the rest of their life just for the cost of a lawyer alone.
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I’d think the commerce clause would be the applicable one here.
Dormant commerce clause and right to travel.
Unfortunately, there are already reports of police stopping women in cars on the highway to check if the women are pregnant and off to another state. The notion that a locality or state has the right to violate your privacy in order to veto your travel if it’s for purposes they don’t like seems impossible to square with the 4th Amendment or the Commerce Clause, but I guess that’s not stopping these people
How could a police officer legally determine if a woman in a car is going to get an abortion or is just travelling out of state? Women may not be showing when they get an abortion and from a vantage point outside of a car you can’t really tell if a woman is pregnant anyway. Plus they could just be pregnant and driving somewhere out of state. It seems like unreasonable search to stop every woman at the boarder and question them about where they are going. And on top of that why would a woman confess to going to get an abortion when stopped? Unless they had panflets and a confirmation printed out in plain view in the car it would be impossible to prove intent once a police officer pulls someone over. If they enforce this law I think there will be a lot of lawsuits about unreasonable and illegal stops by the police, and I think the women suing will win.
If they enforce this law I think there will be a lot of lawsuits about unreasonable and illegal stops by the police, and I think the women suing will win.
All good points. Unfortunately, this probably means they’ll stick to doing the unreasonable and illegal stops on people they think won’t be able to afford to bring lawsuits.
Also, questions of ‘is this actually legal?’ have a fine way of becoming moot when the it’s cops doing the lawbreaking and who polices the police, right? Especially in states with long history of good-old-boys justice networks
You fail to understand what these laws are actually ment to do. These laws are to give the illusion of righteousness, but all they want to do is control women. They see women as objects and not human. A woman traveling alone, not on their watch. They give two shits about the baby they just want a brood sow to keep pumping out poor laborers and to be shackled to a man for ever.
How could a police officer legally determine…
They shoot them and check the autopsy. Merica.
How do you say freedom in fascist American?
$$$$
You fire a high-powered rifle into the air.
*at a school
*Into a school.
It’s weird isn’t it how everyone that’s “pro-life” is also “pro-gun” and “anti self-determination”. It’s almost as if their priorities are completely skewed.
Its almost as if its a naked show of power and threats with no larger concepts or thought behind it.
You can have all the freedom™ you want as long as you only do what I would do with all the freedom that I want.
*except when I have to go outside of the limit of freedom because a special case but it’s me so it’s ok.
Freedom™ was a great book though. (sequel to Daemon)
I think they say “privilege”.
Nah, they won’t admit to privilege.
The Union should have scorched earthed the South and executed all of the leaders and ex-US military officers who defected to the CSA. Instead, you allowed them to live and fester like moldy spores. Now the contagion is fruiting again.
Doesn’t work. The only time scorched earth ever works is if you literally kill or displace every living person there. Otherwise, the survivors will hate you and will raise their children to hate you.
Well it sure as fuck doesn’t help if you not only fail to seriously punish rebel military leaders in any meaningful way, but also later allow people from a bunch of rebel states to erect monuments to rebel leaders and politicians, and otherwise glorify a defeated rebel government whose core reason for being was to enshrine the policy of enslaving people.
Yeah. The response to Germany and Japan post WW2 was ideal. Ban the symbols and idols of the past movement, but throw money at the population to help them rebuild.
Edit: and execute the leaders
Germany: yeah, pretty much.
Japan: …not really.
Seems to me they did that anyway.
That’s what I’m saying. The North waffled. They should have either gone full Marshall plan or full genocide. And note that I don’t think genocide was or is politically palatable.
That’s what happened when we gave traitors a free treason pass too, though. Seems to me the only choice is in how many traitors hate us.
The last civil war was predicated by slave states sending squads north to round up any black people they find.
The next one might start because of states hunting down pregnant women outside their borders.
well that’s a type of freedom I’ve not heard of before
It’s all about States Rights.
…to oppress your freedom.
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It’s so disheartening.
Democrats are pushing for it too, they’re just less likely than republicans to say the quiet part out loud.
The Republicans can see their power slipping as young people are becoming more aware and involved, and it seems as though they’ve gone into overdrive in an attempt to save their wretched ideology. Just about every day there’s at least one story about them taking things to the next level, and it’s gotten out of control.
Anyone who has seen the plan the Heritage Foundation laid out for replacing career experts in regulatory agencies and government offices with their own far right people in order to literally, in their own words, dismantle the administrative state, should be terrified.
They want autocracy, with them at the top. Forever. And now that it is getting more and more unlikely that could happen democratically, they’re taking matters into their own hands before it’s too late for them and their party dies.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO VOTE. READ THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION’S RECENTLY RELEASED PLAN, AND FUCKING VOTE.
Where can you find the Heritage Foundation’s plan? I’ve checked out their website but any mention of it seems buried.
Weirdly, I was having issues finding it searching on Google until I found a little bit and realized they called it "Project 2025”. If you search for that along with “heritage” you’ll find the plan itself, as well as discussion about it.
It’s very bad news.
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Guess you haven’t been following all the voter laws in red states.
If voting didn’t matter, the GOP wouldn’t be spending so much money and resources to disenfranchise voters in swing states.
It used to be an insult to mistakenly ask some woman of she’s pregnant.
Now pretending to be just fat will be an ultimate defense
And now cops will have the excuse to sexually assault women driving and force them to take pee tests on the side of the road.
Or planting evidence?
Tell the car your sex type is female. It will crash because females no longer exist. Apparently.
Females no longer exist? I don’t follow the joke stranger…
There was some drama on reddit or twitter because someone said “females” instead of “womens”… I think he refers to that
Ffs
Cool it with the all caps titles homie
Yes it’s an important topic, so it deserves attention, meaning use normal capitalization so people don’t just downvote and autoblock you for excessive caps
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These Republicans are just disgusting people.
There isn’t a single freedom they won’t take from us.
They won’t take away the right to bear arms. It’s a pretty standard practice of authoritarian governments but if they try that the illusion will instantly be dispelled. They’ve already convinced their base they need weapons to fight off communists so it’s not really necessary to strip that right.
Give scary minorities guns and the right will start backing all kinds of gun control ordinances.
Source: Reagan
Ironically in a gun control law supported by the NRA.
They’re perfectly OK taking guns from Those people.
They won’t take away the right to bear arms.
Not from white people, no.
“A woman travelling with a gun across state lines? She’s clearly doing that to have an abortion, so therefore her weapon and her car can be seized under civil asset forefiture since they were being used in the commission of a crime. I mean, what other reason would there be for a woman to need to travel across state lines other than to have an abortion?”
“A trans person already broke into one of our elementary schools and shot several children. How long are we going to ignore the obvious mental disorder that is transsexuality? Not accepting the gender that Almighty God assigned to them at birth is itself a mental health issue that should disqualify trans people from carrying firearms at all under our red flag laws…”
“The crime rates in many of our larger cities is out of control. In order to combat the increasing crime rates in many of our minority-populated cities where local law enforcement has proven to be ineffective, any city with a crime rate above X percent, a population above X thousand people, or in any area labelled to be a “high crime district”, we are introducing legislation to ban and confiscate all firearms in the affected areas.”
White people who have the God-given right to shoot targets with weapons that are grossly overpowered for that purpose have little to nothing to fear. But Republicans in some cases already have tried to test the waters of these arguments to see what they can get away with. I will gladly bet you the left body part of your choice that not only will the GOP try something like this, they’ll do it while the rest of the 2A nuts cheer them on.
Remember, most gun advocates believe “We” have the right to bear arms. And when they say “We”, they mean themselves. Not you. As long as you’re only going after the guns of those people, the right won’t have a problem. And you and I both know what I mean when I say “those people”.
My dude, gun control was their idea in the first place.
doesn’t this violate freedom of travel…
Just travel with a gun in your car, then you win all the freedom in america
…and probably the 4th amendment and commerce clause.
