• Wolf Link 🐺@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    The inability to distinguish between creation and creator. It is completely fine to like Harry Potter and still think that J.K.Rowling is nuts. You can dislike Dolly Parton’s songs and still appreciate her for the awesome human being she is.

    The vast majority of people obviously can’t do that for some reason. It’s either “both creation and creator are shit” or “both are awesome” and nothing inbetween, to the point that some folks automatically assume you’re a climate change denier because you listen to Meatloaf, or do a 180° turn about liking/disliking movies, arts, novels etc. depending on what their authors did IRL. And don’t get me started on Nintendo fanboys … if you tell them you love the Zelda franchise but dislike Nintendo as a company, they’ll rip you apart because you’re obviously not allowed to have anything else but a single-track blanket opinion about literally everything they ever did.

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      Someone else more less touched on this but I think you’re missing the point.

      I don’t know a single person who thinks you can’t like someone’s art because you dislike the artist. Using your example, I have plenty of friends who grew up with Harry Potter and still absolutely love the series in many ways. However they also think JK Rowling is a piece of shit.

      The problem lies in giving a platform to people who, at the very least outspokenly, espouse harmful views, and/or engage in harmful activities. So generally speaking, they tend to take some amount of issue (how much varies person to person) with people continuing to support works from them without some demonstration of change or betterment. In turn, most of us stop consuming their content wholesale, as we don’t want to support their actions or views by contributing to their platform and would prefer others do the same.

      People like what you’re talking about exist, sure. I also think that demographic is nearly exclusively terminally online people, who tend to be quite a bit louder than your average person. Which in turn can skew how commonly held of an opinion something can seem to be.

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        I don’t know a single person who thinks you can’t like someone’s art because you dislike the artist

        I know plenty of people like this.

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        10 months ago

        terminally online

        Mind if I steal that description? It’s perfect ♥

        As for your comment; I am completely fine with people deciding for themselves that they no longer wish to engage with some creation because its creator sucks - that’s a personal choice and I can respect that decision easily.

        What I don’t get are people who try to force that decision onto others, like going “…but the author is shit, so you HAVE to now hate literally everything they ever did, and if you don’t then you’re just as bad as them”. No, I don’t have to do anything of the sort - and that does not mean that I support the world views of the author. It only means that the world view of the creator hasn’t ruined the creation for me.

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          Oh I certainly did not coin that term, so steal away lol

          But yeah I definitely get your point. I suppose my only real contention is that I don’t personally feel it’s as ubiquitous of an opinion as it sounds like you do.

          That said, in the case of someone like Jk Rowling I will absolutely bring up the topic should she come up. I have quite a few trans friends, and she has and continues to actively take steps to attack and harm the trans community. Liking the art she has created is one thing, but supporting someone who seeks to invalidate the existence of people, particularly those I care about, and take away essential care is another. I probably won’t start a fight about it, unless you’re a real shit head, but I take no qualms with standing up about it either.

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      I don’t think you should be upset with someone for liking an artist’s work despite their personal life but I’ve definitely stopped listening to artists for theirs. I’ll be half way through the opening verse and remember “oh yeah, this dude’s a rapist” and don’t want to continue.

      On the flip side, I know Jackie Chan has had his fair share of controversy…but I still love his films and on-screen persona.

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        but I’ve definitely stopped listening to artists for theirs.

        That’s a personal choice, and I’m completely fine with that. If you can’t help but dislike a work of art because it always reminds you of the bad thing its creator did/said, there is no shame in no longer engaging with said art as it won’t bring you happiness anymore.

        What I don’t get are people who go “waaah noo, how DARE you like that song! The singer is an asshole, you have to hate their music now!” … no, I don’t have to. And that does not automatically mean I am okay with what the singer did - it just means that their actions haven’t ruined the song for me.

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      No offense, but just no. If you don’t like the art, but the artist that’s fine, absolutely no problem here, but supporting a person like J. K. Rowling financially by consuming their creation is actually a problem and should be opposed.

      This view is enabling horrible people and not okay.

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    We’re all so bad at communicating and it is the bottleneck in most relationships, workplaces, and in politics.

    We talk past each others when we argue. We’re bad at definining the stuff we argue and talk about. We’re bad at ignoring the pedantic stuff and focusing on the “spirit” of the argument.

    At the workplace I feel the ability to share information to all the relevant parties without it being noisy has never been solved in big corporations. It is either a free-for-all situation where you’re expected to read hundred of emails, answer anyone anytime, go in tons of meeting, OR to work in complete silos where you only talk to a supervisor once in a blue moon.

    In friendships you have people who talk but don’t listen and people who listen and don’t talk. Oversharers, bullshiters, people who can’t get to the point, people who gives 5 minutes of context and disordered information for every little things. Friends who mumble, or who don’t finish half their sentences.

    In relationships we let unresolved issues become taboos, and we let petty stuff buildup because we can’t addresss it without anyone feeling attacked.

    Communication is important, as you’ve already been told by a poster or an HR person, but I rarely see people actively try to better themselves in that area, nor the corporations I worked at. You won’t have anything durable without it, or anything capable of scaling efficiently.

    I am probably very bad at it too, for the simple reason that virtually all the people I know are ever good at best at a few aspects of it. I am self-conscious about communicating properly but I too probably suck at it and I have my blind spots just like everyone else. For this reason, this is the thing I hate about everyone, we can’t communicate for shit and we don’t even realize it most of the time.

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      What’s most frustrating about it is that even when I try to help others see that this is the real cause of friction between us - that poor communication or misunderstanding is the real cause of our arguments, many if not most would still fight me that I’m wrong and they’re right and it’s like nobody wants to reach a solution, they’d rather forever spin in the accusations

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    I hate that many people idolise other people.

    It’s possible to like some of the work of somebody without idolising them and blindly listening to or following absolutely everything they do.

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      Elon Musk is the best example: SpaceX has some really cool ideas (Falcon 9, Starship, Starlink) and Tesla made EVs palatable to car enthusiasts, which is an important step.

      But on the whole he is an absolute piece of shit with a fragile ego.

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        That’s a great example, I was prompted by the Fluke Skywalker stuff going on, But there are plenty of times when people who are famous for something are found to fall short. Then you get this outpouring of grief and disappointment, It happens enough that people should know better really.

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    That we all think we’re far more in control of ourselves than we are. Yes, including me. A person isn’t in charge of the self, even a majority. Not by a long shot. We’re the smartest monkeys in the room, but we’re still monkeys. None of us are fully rational robots, but a lot of us pretend we are.

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      I think irrationality is evidence of our control if anything. Animals are generally more rational than us (I say this as someone who hates people who worship rationality.)

      I don’t think animals are completely emotionless, but a lot more of what other animals do can be explained by survival instinct than humans.

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      That’s interesting, because I was going to say I hate how a lot of people are very susceptible to extremism and binary thinking.

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    Mass hysteria/idiocy, like how easy it is for a crowd to drop logic and reason and be worked up into a frenzy because some populist/talking head/anonymous online account is telling them what to think or manipulating them with a bunch of half truths.

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

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    10 months ago

    That in times of conflict, human nature, the default mindset of humans, is often used as a crutch like a medical condition would be, and that we simultaneously still consider ourselves persons as we define persons as members of the moral community, the same one we use human nature to excuse ourselves for violating.

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    The hypocrisy of caring and Hallmark holidays.

    Some calendar days were created by companies out to make money, others by organizations trying desperately to raise awareness for their worthwhile cause.

    The end result is often the same, jump on the bandwagon for one day to be seen as doing good or being good, then hop off and return to business as usual.

    There’s a calendar day coming up that every year makes my life worse. For one day a year, acquaintances ask me a question, don’t care about or listen to my answer, and then go back to ignoring me for another year. Oh but hurrah for them, they did the thing they normally wouldn’t because social media gives them warm fuzzies for announcing they did the thing. They don’t even remember the questions or answers, for them, it was a thing to do, instead of being a better caring person for the other 364 days.

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      Saturday, September 16th is Batman Day. And everyone asks “wouldn’t a billionaire help more by using his wealth than his fists?” right before they get the smack.

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      100%

      I immediately gain respect for people who matter-of-factly admit when they’re wrong and apologize for doing or saying something that warrants an apology. I think it’s a sign of an emotionally mature and self-confident person. You don’t lose anything by admitting an error or fault, it fact you gain perspective and knowledge that helps you develop as a person, while giving credit to the person who knew the right thing. Everybody wins.

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    Can’t they just fucking read AND comprehend.

    If people would not just read things but also use some brain power to comprehend the words they just read, then the world would be a few percentage points smarter overall.

    Also while they are at it, observe the world you are living in. People ask stupid questions all the time because they don’t open their eyes and take in the world for a few seconds. “where is the bathroom?” As they ignore the sign. “What time does the bus come?” As they ignore the printed schedule. “How do you open this hatch?” As the arrows point to the handle.

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      I’ve honestly been astounded at how much of the population appears to be functionally illiterate. You tell them how to spell a url and they’re more likely to just hand you the phone because that’s hard.

      I sometimes wonder if that’ll be what’s left - illiterate masses cared for by a few not-quite-dumb bastards that can work a can opener or read the instructions on the pump.

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      I witnessed people watching tok tok shorts with their speakers blasting low quality audio on repeat in the following situations:

      • when hanging out with a group of friends

      • in the bus/tram/commuter train

      • THE FUCKING CINEMA

      Why can’t people just use headphones?