I actually like Linux, but I’m considering just blocking all the Linux communities because it’s so incredibly boring to just see you guys circle jerking all day long. We get it. We all get it.
My guy, you are on linuxmemes lmao
I came here hoping to see gnome and X11 memes. You know, actual Linux memes.
Instead I found “Windows bad” circlejerking.
Ubuntu bad?
Distros and package managers are bad. Reject modernity, embrace compiled source. Burn Lennart Pottering at the stake!
Go gentoo and get both!
Gentoo and Arch is for wanabees, the hardcore use Linux From Scratch as their distro.
These are the memes I come for
You need a book to tell you how to install Linux? I guess we were all a noob at one point.
I don’t think the bank will accept “I need to install Firefox” as the reason for a loan to pay my electricity bill.
I never got it running, but I definitely learned some things. I need to try it again someday when I have a lot of free time and a spare laptop.
Can’t forget to bash snaps too!
Systemd also bad!
No, I’m on All, but a far higher percentage than most other content is just the same message in slightly different words on repeat, “Linux good, Binbows bad.”
But have you heard the latest hilarious thing? Windows… BAD! Hahaha! My goodness, I’m sure you never could have imagined. Also, I use Arch, in case you were wondering.
Binbows isn’t that bad, it’s Michaelsoft as a company we should worry about.
I like you.
No, I’m on All
Hi on All, i’m the post of tom joad
There’s like 6 of em hah
Why do so many memes seem to be about windows then? 🤔
They could use some memes making fun of our community instead of making fun of the rest.
Let’s be honest, Linux isn’t a viable option for a big portion of society. I love working in Linux but it’s not perfect for those that aren’t techsavy and need more than a browser.
I mean just go ahead and block it, why make this rant at all, if you are seeing it on All its because of the amount of Linux users on Lemmy.
You’re talking to the deity of jokes himself. You think he’s out of touch? No, it is linuxmemes who are wrong
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
And whats the point? Should all Linux memes communities close so that you don’t see them in All? Should people stop making Linux memes at all? What are you achieving with your rant? You don’t like it. We get it. You and that 75% can block the community and move on.
I did. Go outside and breath for a bit, the weather is nice today.
Ah yes, this is literally the first time I visit Lemmy today after uni and the first post I see on All and that I interact with in more than a week but I am the one that has to go outside, not the person that apparently spends all day on Lemmy, so much so that is tired of seeing Linux memes on its feed. Have a nice day as well, and I truly mean it.
I don’t know your life story, I only know you got pretty riled up over nothing at all on the Internet, by a strangers comment. Usually a good sign you need to take a break and relax.
Bro stop the virtue signalling, you got triggered by memes.
you’re absolutely not. i daily drive linux and find all these memes cringy too (came here from “all” too if anyone’s wondering)
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
My guy, you got ratio’d by the guy pointing out you were on c/linuxmemes.
Since you are the main character of Lemmy, which Stallman meme shall we post for the millionth time? Perhaps we shall post about how it’s stupid in 2023 to be using a macrokerenel architecture and that Linux is obsolete?
This feels like an appropriate time to let you know that I use arch, btw.
Block it then. Don’t waste your attention on posts that don’t bring you joy.
Nobody asked, nobody cares, just do it.
We’re on linuxmemes.
Then why are there so many Windows memes? :^)
I’m browsing all.
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So like, you browse All, find communities minding their own business making little in-jokes, and pop in to say “hey assholes, I don’t appreciate you talking about all this stuff you like talking about! How about you shut up so I don’t have to skip past your posts when I’m deliberately skimming everything!”
Seems fair.
Yep, that’s what I said, verbatim.
i’m using tilt controls!
Shut the blast doors!
Feel free to block any communities you please, I personally block them even if they’re fine because they fill up local/all feeds with content I do not understand/care about
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I don’t agree with the Mac one.
The Mac UI is basically windows 3.1.
It’s absolutely awful.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and there it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
It’s so fucking bad.
What does it even mean “more dependable”? And the “ease of use” apparently comes at the cost of user control and privacy, the old “walled garden.”
Yeah, the “ease of use” one is complete bullshit. It’s “easy to use” if you’re accustomed to their “walled garden” model and don’t mind everything being automated so as to deepen your dependency on their larger ecosystem.
It’s all bullshit.
Well to begin with, it only has one control panel instead of like 3
That’s insane lol, how did they even let an issue lile that slip by… is it just a bug with one version of MacOS or something?
Also to fix it, maybe you could reinstall MacOS? I installed MacOS on a computer I built for a friend years ago, it was a “hackintosh.” If you can install it on all non approved hardware surely it’s possible with an actual Macbook. Just because they’re so absurdly expensive it would be a shame for it to be gone for good. Which is another issue with Apple’s x86 products, you’re paying what like $1500 or more for about $350 of hardware which half the time thermal throttles anyway because they make it thin at the expense of cooling.
$350 in hardware sure, hardware that someone had to design and especially nowadays with Apple Silicon, that shit doesn’t come cheap
Yeah I guess Apple have there own x86 chips now? Regardless I would rather have a normal computer with an AMD or Intel chip and pay a normal price. I’m sure those CPUs would be better for my purposes anyway
They use ARM now, which is super efficient, the laptops last forever on battery.
If there’s one thing Apple’s done right, it’s Apple Silicon
Huh I haven’t really kept up with consumer tech for the last few years, that’s interesting. Didn’t they have software issues with instruction sets being different? Or does MacOS being Unix based help with that or something. I do know their mobile processors have been competitive especially in single core performance for a while so I’m sure their desktop ones are good.
But, either way they products were still 3x the price of comparable products even when they had crappy x86 Intel CPUs lol. I’m still not very convinced they’re not overpriced sorry to say
They’ve built a translation layer in for compatibility, though it’s not perfectly fast, it’s more than good enough from what I’ve heard.
It being Unix based definitely helps, though don’t doubt Apple wouldn’t have been able to deal with it if that weren’t the case.
The chips really shine in laptops, I’d say desktops are a bit weaker, unless you’re doing something heavily optimized (Final Cut Pro f.e.).
The biggest win is energy consumption, the difference is insane, I recommend you look up a benchmark or two, can range from 2 to 10x more efficient.
I honestly don’t agree though that they’re 3x the price of comparable products, the new Macbook Airs are pretty solid pieces of hardware for an okay sum of money. It really depends on your workload though, if you’re gaming, you’re gonna have a terrible time, if you’re a dev / work in the browser / do some light editing you’re gonna love the battery life and perf’s not gonna hold you back.
Yeah that’s definitely quite interesting, it’s pretty similar to what Microsoft was trying to do with putting Windows on phones I the Early 2010s. I think only really Sony ever adopted it for their phones and they never sold well, but I thought it was interesting at the time.
I think there have been some ARM laptops that are running Windows so maybe that it where the laptop market is heading, it makes sense because the big.LITTLE cores ARM SOCs use are specifically designed to use as little power of course. A Chromebook I had a while ago had a (iirc) Tegra K1 ARM and that had great battery life even for a Chromebook.
As far as pricing on Apple products goes I don’t think you will ever convince me they’re good value for money :P. Sure 3x the price of comparable products is am exaggeration, I would say it’s more like 1.5 or 1.75x the price normally. I mean saying it’s “good for web browsing” essentially just means it doesn’t have good components but these things are priced in the range of what like $1000 right, you could get a nice chromebook that also has an ARM CPU and is good for web browsing as half the price.
I think there’s a reason Apple has the largest cash reserves and of any company and the highest market cap (not sure if that’s the case ATM) but they move less products than companies like Samsung, it’s because they have fat profit margins. I’m not saying their products are bad, they’re mostly great and some of their products are genuinely disruptive. I just think they aren’t good value you know. Which is fine, they aren’t really meant to be I don’t think.
Yeah, the issue is, the laptop is full of photos. She took it to Apple after I failed to figure it out. They said they can wipe it but not recover the photos.
It’s just a crap system.
Honestly, whyd they never think to use a seprate home partition or setup quotas or fix hdd expectations to prevent errors bricking the desktop.
It’s also become less and less stable over the years
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
The almost exact same thing happened to a friend of mine using Windows 11. The machine booted, but he was unable to log in.
Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
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You can format quotes better by starting each quoted line with a >
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Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
It’s 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don’t have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don’t have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
Damn tell that to literally every single Linux WM lol
I hate patents.
Patents, copyright and trademark do nothing but make rich people richer and stifle innovation.
They encourage creation. Trademarks are different. In order to do so properly, they should be far more limited.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
Right now patents are issued for trivial IT “inventions” which stifle competing products.
Trademarks are fine. They are intended to protect you from misleading products. They let Apple sue people that sell stuff which might mislead you into thinking it’s an apple product.
Of course trademarks are also abused, for example Apple uses trademarks to prevent recycling iPhone parts. That couple be fixed.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
You can’t even reprint 60-year-old stories.
Lemme get this straight. Microsoft successfully got a patent for a feature that KDE had before Windows did?
They’ve had it for a while
I was missing the KDE style drag/resize windows with modifier keys, then I found https://penc.app that kinda fills that void
it also does snapping and auto 50% with trackpad gesture
Bro they don’t even have touchscreen support
The have some basic tiling with left/right sides of the screen, not full tiling. But it’s not like they lock the system down so much it can’t be done. There are several 3rd party utilities that can do this.
Apple tends to go for the stuff 80% of people will use. I don’t think the majority likes tiling window managers. I’ve always found them annoying. Even after Windows got the option, I don’t see anyone using it. Usually I see someone snap their window on accident, get the UI for selecting their other tiles, then getting frustrated, because they don’t want than, and then they try and make things go back to normal.
I wasn’t referencing tiling managers. I’m referring to simply dragging a window to the left/right side of the screen and snapping it to 50% of the screen. It’s actually painful to not have that feature. That’s extremely common. I’m not implying it needs to be an i3 clone.
If you’re just looking for a left/right split, macOS has had this for several years as part of their full screen mode. Hover over the green button and it shows full screen or tile left/right. You can also drag stuff around to do it in mission control.
Sounds like they should probably improve their terrible UX. People say they have good UX somehow?
The first thing I do with a new Mac is install Better Touch Tool UI. It’s mandatory software for Mac as far as I’m concerned.
Rectangle Pro for me, 100%. I bought the paid version too as I loved it.
I like my windows organized and macOS has this penchant for chaos. Windoze at least has FancyZones in PowerToys which is chef’s kiss perfectly done, and I can’t live without it.
I haven’t heard of those programs, but BetterTouchTool also adds window snapping and tiling, and let’s you create custom keybinds and macros, so you can do completely unheard of stuff like use a normal mouse (gasp!). It sounds like your programs are just different variants of the same thing. Right?
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac’s way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can’t compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It’s just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I’m tilling windows I’m generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
I’m not even sure full screen tiling can be called tiling at all.
I mean, I’m never gonna tile my kitchen floor with one GIANT tile.
Technically that’s still tiling, but it completely misses the point lol
Lol you tile your desktop as much as your kitchen floor? I only tend to need to have three things up at most so Mac optimizes my screen space the best since I have 2 monitors, but I’m not on on the multitasking level of many people here it seems
*I think mac os started supporting tiling of non full screen windows as well according to some other comments so maybe kitchen style would work now
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I’m going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Don’t get me started on encountering a ‘feature’ by accident, I’m looking at you hot corners 🤮
Everything wrong with that lol, also that’s just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I’m going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.
MacOS: let’s lockdown our system customization
MOAR TITLE BARS
Hey MacOS, you know these days most people are using wide or ultra wide screen monitors and have more space at th–
😡MOAR 😡TITLE 😡BARS 😡
I want NeXTSTEP-style menus back. Much better for big screens than title bars.
The title bar is so annoying with a vertical monitor. Oh you’re using the bottom window? All your application menus are literally a foot away.
GUI? Yes.
UNIX command line? Six of one half dozen of the other versus Linux in my experience.
But yeah. I love i3wm and it’s a real bummer that you can’t do something like that with macos. I use yabai, which is nice, but i3 it ain’t.
Lol Apple absolutely does not do that… They just add extra crap nobody wants.
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Windows: Clean boot no bullshit software, nothing running: 4GB RAM allocated.
Yeah, I miss the XP days also 🙁
Nothing’s really stopping you from revisiting Glorious XP (maybe a compatible computer, but if you have an old one you could always fire it up for some good nostalgia).
Is that all processes or is that kernal reserved RAM? (which could be for cached writes, open file cache, etc…)
This feature I especially hate.
Meanwhile yesterday I fucked up my linux installation trying to find alternatives on how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it :/
I’ll be trying again when I am not lazy to reinstall it again.
Click “Activities” in the upper right and search for “tweaks”, click the “Tweaks” icon. Select “Keyboard & Mouse” and turn “Middle Click Paste” to “off”.
For Gnome ^ but I’m at work and can’t confirm.
Damn, someone who actually gives GUI instructions and doesn’t yell at the person? Keep it up. The Linux community needs people like you.
As far as I remember I tried that but it didn’t seem to work and some xdotool script that disabled the wheel click entirely. Then I installed kde, tried a few more things there, and then I tried to go back to gnome but… …
I recently tried out Fedora and it deleted my Windows boot files so I had to fuck with the computer for hours trying to troubleshoot… not to mention that almost all Linux tools can’t create a proper bootable USB Windows recovery drive :/ Never had this problem with OpenSUSE or Ubuntu, they behaved properly with dual-boot install. I guess Fedora never again. And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
Just make a Ventoy USB. Why people still bother flashing disk images to thumb drives is beyond me.
It’s still needed for some things. I tried to install a Universal Blue based distro with Ventoy and kept getting errors, once I flashed a drive it installed perfectly normally. It’s definitely an edge case though.
Ventoy is awesome, +1
And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
I guess that’s because it was a community continuation of red hat linux (not the enterprise one)
It is made by Red Hat, and they went with the hat theme. I used a few distributions, and RedHat was one of the worst. I don’t know why it’s popular.
how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it
This is the #1 feature I miss wherever I’m forced to use a non-Linux system.
If that non-Linux system is Windows, and it’s not a one-off situations where you’re using it, AutoHotKey could probably solve this for you.
I know about autohotkey. I used it back when it was new. I don’t use Windows at all, aside from my Blue Iris VM.
What do you use now there a non-Linux system? Or is it so rare to not be on Linux that it’s not worth doing anything?
My desktop, my laptop, my work laptop, my TV gaming system, all my hypervisors, all my Nvidia Jetson systems, 3D printer controller (OctoPi), and (aside from my Blue Iris VM) every single one of my dozens of servers run some kind of Linux.
Except for my firewall, which is OPNsense.
I fucked up my Linux installation yesterday by doing apt upgrade.
Same! dnf upgrade tho for me.
Bex time try NixOS or use BTRFS snapshots.
TempleOS: Let me make the screen flash so much it might trigger epileptic seizures, because God hates epileptics…
If you install windows and set the language to be english (world), there will be no preinstalled BS apps like tiktok.
Of course most people wont do that
That’s so long as your install source/disk is multi regional. Most Windows install images are for a specific region unless you’re lucky to have MSDN or bought a non-crappy OEM Windows disk.
A disk? What year is this?
Wait, what are you talking about? Windows doesn’t pre-install TikTok. Are you talking about OEM versions? Those come with a bunch of bloatware because they get paid by the companies to add their software to the install. If you get a copy of windows that’s not attached to a pre-built computer, then it shouldn’t have any bloatware. Granted, I haven’t installed Windows 11, and don’t plan to, so my knowledge could be dated.
If you install windows 11 from a fresh usb right now, you’ll find TikTok, Prime Video, Candy Crush, etc. in the start menu. They’re technically not installed, more like “click to install”. Iirc, windows 10 was more or less the same, but a bit less.
I installed w11 today,there was no candy crush or tiktok or whatever. I had office,spotify,whatsapp,sudoku Legit download from the microsoft website…
I suppose it could differ by region. Spotify, WhatsApp, and sudoku are definitely paid placements
The only one that doesn’t have bloatware for money is MacOS. If Microsoft cared they would ban that.
Before anyone says Linux doesn’t have paid bloatware for money, Ubuntu had Amazon baked into for money. Additionally, many distros use Firefox that Google’s pays to have Google be the default search engine.
For whatever reasony work tools on Linux aren’t working right now, so I am using win10 for the moment.
The start menu is a fucking nightmare. I don’t care about what’s on the internet when I am looking for my software. This isn’t a mobile phone.
What’s even worse is that I know what the name of my software is. But half the time, when I use the start menu, the web results and ads load first and it takes a while to show my software, if it ever shows up at all.
Install Classic Shell. It lets you change the windows UI to go back to the old Windows 7 UI (or earlier.)
Let’s not live in the past. Just disable internet searching from the start menu.
I agree, it shouldn’t have been built in and on by default and it should be easier to disable.
Personally I think Win10 start was peak Windows start because it was the most customizable.
Maybe it’s just my age, but I use File Explorer to find things on my PC.
But Windows loves to not show you things, and the main folder(C:) just seems to get worse and more cluttered with folders with a name like: 4783DDBMJUD84WWIOT.
Well, the thing is that the start menu used to be useful. So the habit is there. Even in Linux, this is the same.
But now in windows, it’s a pile of crap riddled with ads.
Even when Win95 came out, I was so used to 3.1 navigation and the MSDOS prompt, the Start menu just never had any appeal to me.
Hell, I even right-click to shut down or restart.
I tried Windows 11 on an old laptop I had. Experience:
“Why the hell is TikTok installed?”
Clicks icon
“Installing TikTok”
“No, you retard!”How about not using slurs?
i thought linux users would be smart enough to know what ads are and their first thought would be to right-click and choose “remove”, instead of opening it
guess i overestimated them a little
So Windows users are so used to ads on their desktops that they feel smug when someone doesn’t recognize them. Weird flex, but okay.
Imagine being so used to ads that you make fun of people who aren’t.
Pretty sad actually.
Laughs in OpenShell
Laughs in a clunky alternative hack that is miles behind any sort of native solution.
Do you guys think linux will ever win over time? I see hate towards ubuntu every now and then but I think of it as the most “idiot-proof” distro (maybe I’m wrong)
No. Something with no marketing never beats something with billions of dollars in marketing and partnerships.
It’s not about marketing, it’s about trying to turn on surround sound, almost blowing up my speakers with static, and reading through pulse audio or Alsa configs for hours to do what an AppleTV just does innately.
Linux, and especially desktop linux, is a collection of disparate technologies by different groups with different priorities and it will never have a cohesive vision or responsive support.
I’ve had a Linux desktop on and off for over 20 years and it’s always some bullshit or another.
It’s always the year of Linux on the desktop if you’re a masochist.
Signed: a masochist.
I started using Ubuntu partly because all that just works
Hell, that would have been the case 10 years ago. Now that Windows is ‘the default’ for almost everybody, I can never see Linux taking that crown even if Windows never advertised again.
Windows is much less of a default today than it was 20 years ago.
This data shows 2009 to now, Windows has been in a slow trend down with macOS on a slow march up. Back around 2000, Windows was probably 99%, now it’s down to 69%.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202308
If we include mobile, Android is bigger than Windows, which is wild. Microsoft completely fumbled the ball on mobile. Ironically they had Windows Mobile long before iOS or Android were even ideas, but they failed to take the iPhone seriously and never recovered.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202308
No giant is too big to fall. That being said, desktop Linux would need to make some significant changes to get itself in the running. Primarily, not being generically “Linux”, and have a distro the whole community organizes around and make it the best desktop OS out there. The lack of focus can generate a lot of interesting ideas and projects, but really slows down progress and increases confusion for new users.
macOS has 20% marketshare and has been the main reasons Windows has been dropping for over a decade now. macOS is Unix. There is no reason Linux couldn’t be just as easy to use, or even better… combining ease of use with user control. But I think for that to happen some hard decisions need to be made. Kill off the dead weight projects and get everyone behind the stuff that’s going to really matter.
Windows was the default for almost everybody 10 years ago too.
Do you guys think linux will ever win over time?
Depends on what you mean by “win”. Linux dominates everywhere except for desktops.
Will we win on desktops, too? Who knows. If it does happen, it probably won’t be anytime soon.
I think Ubuntu and some other Linux distros are arguably more idiot proof than Windows, especially if used by a child with no former experience with anything. The issue of course, is that people just expect every piece of software to work out of the box, and much software that gets advertised to people, including games, targets Windows. Yes, most stuff works with compatibility layers now and more software is targeting Linux as well. However as soon as a person encounters a piece of software where something doesn’t just work they will probably ditch the OS, not look for fixes or an alternative, especially for something like a game where there is FOMO attached.
Kids and elders in my family get Linux. It’s especially easy to sell it to them too, since:
- They only need email, office suite, browser, games
- They don’t want to buy windows
I think the newer immutable distros will become the more mainstream option.
In practice it behaves more like a phone where you use sandboxed apps and the base system cannot be modded.
However on immutable distros you can make changes to the system but only with a specific method. This is how the Steam Deck is setup and I can see it working very well for the average user.
I think if somehow office 365 got working easily on linux there will be a decent sized shift
Well, Ubuntu pioneered this thing! Fortunately it was short lived and you could opt out.
A good and user-friendly distro nevertheless. Who knows if it will ever “win” on the desktop, but I am sure the more mainstream it becomes, the more hate it will get!
People say why go the extra step just to disable ads and uninstall crap on windows 10, but never say why go extra extra step just to get that one windows software running on Linux oh and MacOS is fucking suck lol
This is why I switched. You need to edit to registry to make edge not create a toolbar on your desktop. And I was like, if I jeed to edit toolbars might as well run linux. And i did
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Agiant most of these comments.
Mac actually does have one major similarity to Linux (beside it being posix)
spoiler
The UX sucks just as much as GNOME 4x
xfce for life lol
I don’t like start menus, I much prefer the UX of Gnome
The main two things I like about start menus is that it keeps all your apps out of the way, and in some resemblence of organizatoin, instead of just barfing them all out in one big cluttered mess, which is part of what turns me away from Apple, or Gnome. However, they’re not as easy to use on touchscreens. That said, ads deeply nerf this advantage.
I use search for any given app (start menu or not) so it’s all a cluttered mess as it filters down but the larger icon makes finding things faster
I do have a folder for OS utilities though because outside of terminal I don’t use them enough to know them
