Edit2: It’s a subjective perception I’m talking about. Are you offended? Why?

What’s the matter, why can’t men deal with me being sensitive and emotional? Is it because they struggle with me reminding them of having, too, emotions?

Edit: Do men think I’m weak when I show emotions? If so, why?? Why do women see it as a sign of strength when men are vulnerable, but men don’t seem to get it? Are they/are we dumb??

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    Men are often socialized to believe that showing emotion is reserved for children, women, and the weak. They are often taught that emotions are in direct opposition to “strength” and “manliness”.

    Unfortunately, if men show emotion, they are often criticized and made fun of (often by other men), calling their masculinity into question. As if having emotions make you weak or less of a man.

    Emotions are not a “weak” trait. Emotions are a human trait.

    Men need to work hard to be supportive and accepting of other men showing emotion. De- stigmatize emotional men. Stop showing sensitive men or men who struggle or cry as “weak” or worthy of mockery. This is such an antiquated view and needs to be abolished.

    Support your bros. Become comfortable with emotional expression. This will help struggling men everywhere, I guarantee it.

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        The answer to your subjective perception question then is… it’s probably reinforced by the people you associate with.

        When I was young, most of my friends were girls because the guys were all trying to prove how manly they were. It’s a thing of emotional maturity. The trouble is that many guys don’t emotionally mature until after they’ve left school, and by that point they’re surrounded by other emotionally stunted men in the workplace and unhealthy behaviours are reinforced.

        But that’s a stereotype too and depends on what they’re doing in the workforce.

        For me, it meant that I have fewer man friends than woman friends, but the relationships are stronger with the ones I do have.

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    This is what is commonly referred to as “toxic masculinity”. That’s the crux of what they’re talking about. It’s not just that men are taught to be dangerous to those around them, it’s that we’re also taught to be hard and lonely Islands that seek no support.

    It’s no way to live and it crushes you over time.

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      As opposed to masculinity. Look at Gilgamesh, Achelies, even the godfather of stoicism Marcus Arilius. Historically peak alpha males never muffled their emotions.

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      Not quite, I have a group of male friends who are very comfortable with being emotional with each other and I still prefer opening to women because they are much more concerned and able to deal with it, lot of men still don’t know what to do with it.

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        You’re still describing the effects of toxic masculinity, just the 2nd order effects rather than the first.

        Why do you think a lot of men don’t know what to do with it? Why do you think a lot of men aren’t concerned?

        It’s not some innate aspect of being a woman: it’s a suppressed aspect of being a human that society has pressed out of men.

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          They aren’t as used to talk about emotions and relationships so it’s easier to go with someone that is.

          It’s no assumptions just facts

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              I mean sure but if you want to look more in depth it’s not just toxic masculinity, there’s also toxic femininity involved most men have been hurt by their previous partner who they opened up to and their partner then used it against them or even ridiculed them in front of an audience. Or women around them mocked them for being emotional and crying

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                What you’re describing is still toxic masculinity and has absolutely nothing to do with toxic femininity. Men that have been hurt by their previous partners or ridiculed for being emotional, is toxic masculinity. This is because men are discouraged from expressing their emotions or seeking support, reinforcing the harmful stereotype that vulnerability is a sign of weakness. Men get hurt by women doing this because of the toxic view many men and women carry about masculinity and male gender roles.

                Toxic femininity on the other hand, is a societal expectation placed on women to conform to traditional gender roles and stereotypes, like being passive, nurturing, and submissive.

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                  Nope

                  Examples of Toxic Femininity

                  To identify toxic femininity, you need to know what to look out for to ensure they are not falling victim to toxic femininity guise as friendship or niceness by some women. The telltale signs include:

                  Slut-shaming and body-shaming – women who slut-shame or body shame others are toxic Talking over other people and belittling others, especially fellow women Making fun of another female to get the attention of a man. Shaming men for being too soft or having feminine traits that do not live up to societal expectations of what a man is. Passive aggression behavior can include patronizing behavior, fake niceties, and smiley faces after a harsh text. Sabotaging and backstabbing behavior like lying for their benefit, offering misleading advice, manipulating situations, and mocking others for their decisions. Resentment, jealousy, and bitterness towards others, especially fellow women, for their popularity, looks, and achievements Negative competitiveness with other women through dominance or sexuality

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    I don’t know your exact experiences, but I had a similar feeling in the past. However, recently I noticed it was a lot of how i behaved to them. I started speaking more openly with my male friends and noticed, they also value my emotions. The main difference was, that my friendships with women started on an emotional level making it a lot easier to open up for me. With my male friends, I needed to just say how i feel, which i have not dared for a long time. My own stereotypes probably played a larger role than the gender of the people involved.

    However as others have said, if they do not take you seriously when you open up, they are bad friends. (Edit: Bad friends is a bit harsh, more like friends for having fun together, not to rely on. This is also nice even if it can be hard to accept)

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      Yep. And it’s really liberating once you become comfortable plainly sharing your emotions about things with other men. I didn’t even realize I was keeping things in until I stopped keeping things in. I think it’s helped my relationship with my wife too, just by building better habits around isolating and speaking my emotional reaction to things.

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      Then you run into a full-blown narcissist and they will mistake your openness for weakness and start to weaponise it against you. Ask me how I know this.

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    Toxic patterns get passed on due to resentment, often. It’s not like they wanted to have to suppress their emotions, but they were taught to. The idea people don’t have to anymore itches some people in a weird way.

    Like, pretend you joined a club that had an initiation that was really painful, and it happened every year. Tradition. Now imagine that started to change, and you yourself were from that last year that ever had to do it. Now everyone who joins doesn’t have to. That could breed resentment for those new people and that new system, if you let it.

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      Yeah, I guess that change would confuse the hell out of me …

      and I guess I recognize that kind of resentment, like “why/how the hell is him able to be so vulnerable and I not?”

      So, it may be that men resent me for my ability to be vulnerable?? Wtf

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    In my experience, this isn’t a gendered distinction - but rather just down to the individual person.

    Some of my closest friends that are both men and women alike are friends I consider “letting my guard down” around. The same applies in the opposite direction, where I have friends (but generally more on the distant friend / acquaintance side) men and women alike that I have to be a bit more guarded around.

    And while I can’t comment on this specifically because I of course don’t know you and as such have no frame of reference, from what I’ve experienced in the past and seen others go through, is that a lot of times it’s how you bring it up. If it seems more forceful, it’s going to have a higher chance to not land well with people (of any gender).

    Edit: Another thing worthwhile to note, is that people have different ways of expressing emotional acceptance. For example, my grandfather would never turn me, or anyone away for expressing their emotions. But, he’s more of a silent listener, and doesn’t usually comment on it - but I know that he is still accepting of my emotions the few times that I bring it up. It’s very similar to the concept of love languages, if you’ve ever heard that. It’s very possible that the men in your life are more the silent listener type.

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    Man a lot of people are chalking this up to just the individuals being assholes, but there’s absolutely a societal expectation to men being stoic, and that’s hard to break for a lot of people, even with their closest friends. Men are taught to be driven, active, leaders. It’s what we’ve been conditioned to by society for thousands of years. There’s a growing shift towards men embracing what can be seen as “femininity” in aspects of life, particularly emotionally, but speaking from experience here, it’s still hard to open up to my guy friends. And I have good guy friends who absolutely would listen and support me. Hell, they have.

    Toxic masculinity has been brought up here, and kinda shot down, but if you dig deep, that’s what a lot of it is. Note that doesn’t make these people BAD PEOPLE, they’re as much victims of it as you are. There’s no correlation between ‘strength’ and showing emotion. No one, man or woman, is going to look at someone going through it and say ‘ah they she’d a tear! Weakling!’ Hell, if anything, it takes a lot of strength to be emotionally honest. But that feeling is present as a low-level background noise everywhere. Men don’t cry. Get over it you’re a man. She dumped you? She wasn’t that good anyway bro. Nah man, that shit HURTS. This is what toxic masculinity is. Not toxic MEN but toxic STANDARDS, which are perpetuated by both sides.

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    Obligatory “nOt ALl MeN”

    I’m a dude and I’m fine with my guy friends showing emotion. Very few do. We’re socially taught it’s weird, but it’s not.

    Get yourself a guy friend you can hug.

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      Yeah … you’re right 🙈

      problem is though

      Past sexual abuse makes it physically icky (I’m straight!!)

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    Find the right men. There are 4 billion men out there and many are able to communicate and be there for friends. It may take moving into some peripheral spaces where different experiences and points of view are appreciated.

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    You have given lemmy very little to go on here, so pick whichever answer you prefer.

    Hypothesis 1: The culture of which you are a part has established gender roles which lead to its women typically being more emotionally open and empathic than the menfolk.

    Hypothesis 2: For similar cultural reasons, women around you tend to favour a communications style that happens to be more compatible with the one you have developed for yourself, leading to easier mutual understanding.

    Hypothesis 3: You have some hang-ups of your own about sex which are making you more receptive to female company than male.

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      I’m not sure about H1, because I’m younger in years than the number of relocations I had in my life

      H3 plays definitely a part into my perception tho!

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    A lot of my male relationships, we bond while we do things. My female relationships we can just hang out. Don’t know why that is.

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    I agree that socialization is a big part of this tendency, as other commenters are saying. However, having experienced living with a testosterone dominant body and an estrogen dominant body, I’ve found that it was much harder for me to process other people’s emotions on T. While I would care about people and what they were expressing, I often would feel overloaded by strong emotions. On E I don’t notice that as much, and have a lot more patience and capacity to emotionally engage with others.

    I’m sure this stuff varies a lot from person to person, and there isn’t one single factor that determines how men and women would typically behave. But in my own life there’s a pretty big hormonal component to this

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    In my experience, as a man, this simply doesn’t happen.

    Men are rejected by both men and women when they’re emotionally vulnerable.

    Source: failed to complete suicide in 2014. Lost 95% of my friends, including ones that were active in an org that supposedly worked to prevent suicide.

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        I don’t think anyone said anything to me directly; they just ghosted me. I’d almost rather have the verbal and emotional beat down so that you know what’s happening.

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    Those men have issues of their own. We’re often raised to be stoic. Many men are instilled with this idea that crying makes you weak, and that men aren’t supposed to be weak from a young age. It makes many of us men absolute pieces of shit, IMO. It’s the very foundation of toxic masculinity.