Various nuggets of interest in this survey of Gen Z and millennials
As a dude, if a woman listens to Joe Rogan, it’s a red flag.
As a person, anyone listening to Joe Rogan is a red flag. I personally prefer to pretend his career ended with News Radio.
I remember listening to him about 6 years ago a few times. He had Neil DeGrasse Tyson on it and some other smart people at the time.
Then it really started going to shit
My SO asked me to listen to one of his NDT eps like 10 years ago. 10 mins in he was questioning the Moon landings.
I noped tf out then & there…like how old is this guy? 40? And he thinks we made that shit up for…why?
He could not get that we actually landed on the Moon and was having a famous PhD astrophysicist/professor explain it to him.
I knew then & there that brain cells were not something he had an abundance of.
Oh yeah lol I do remember that. It was sorta interesting, but I stopped listening once I figured out Joe is a moron pretending to be open minded.
To be fair though, lots of people think the moon landings were faked.
Rogan looks 40 to you? He’s 56.
This was ~ 10 years ago and at the time I had no idea what he looked like.
Oooh I thought you meant now…and he doesn’t look 40. He looks great for a 56yr old though. I’d have thought 50.
Anyway, i didn’t mean any offence. Hope none was taken.
All good, fam, none taken at all. Cheers!
As a giant velvet green intergalactic cephalopod, anyone listening to Joe Rogan is a red flag.
He was alright during his LSD phase but then went completely off the rails when COVID happened. That said, I was never a fan. Only an occasional listener and only for guests I was interested in.
What, you didn’t like hearing him riff about unfunny inside jokes with comedian friends or talk about weird MMA minutiae?
(Haven’t listened to him in a decade, but I remember that those were the episodes I’d skip)
I forgot about that show.
Damn. It was so good, too. You may be onto something.
It was adaquatulent!
Obligatory fuck Andy Dick.
Johnny Harris did a “both sides” dive into Joe a month ago and I unsubbed after watching that garbage. He just kinda breezes over shit and ends up being like “he just intellectually curious.” Fuck right off with that shit. I remember years ago when that jungle spice smoking thumb of a man had Andy Ngo on and a friend of mine was trying to defend him asking if its “ok for people to attack a journalist.” The friend didn’t really know the context outside of the vague framework they supplied, but we argued for like 20 minutes. Even after I showed him who Ngo really was and what he was all about, it seemed impossible to break the perception he’d been given that Ngo was a victim.
Rogan is a misinformation gateway that primes people for the bigger scam down the line, whilst washing it’s hands of any responsibility. He disarms people with a “curious” persona and the majority of his content just being empty mental calories to be consumed. It’s like a viral carrier that dulls peoples mental immunity against right wing propaganda by surrounding it in a 100 layers of DMT vision stories. Personally feel like it makes him one of the bigger dangers for people getting put into the pilled pipeline.
Rogan is a misinformation gateway that primes people for the bigger scam down the line, whilst washing it’s hands of any responsibility.
It’s a psychological phenomenon called “the Joe Rogan Experience”. Seriously, as an avid former listener, it’s basically that. We can debate whether or not be doesn’t it maliciously or not but this is actually what’s happening.
As a former listener I just enjoyed that he had people on I both wanted to hear from and people who were talking about shit I never heard of so it filled din as background noise while working. Even when he was misinformed it was merely the topic of the day. Sometime around when he had Dan Crenshaw on for the first time is when I remember him really digging into weird rightwing talking points. Once covid hit it was over. It was like he moved into an ego silo and he wouldnt even let his guests provide a point of view he didn’t agree with or understand. Every episode became about COVID and the woke left. He really is a fucking misinformation machine who can get away with it because everyone knows he is that fucking stupid.
Johnny Harris is weird. I can’t exactly pinpoint it because I lost interest in his content incredibly quickly. Loads of red flags.
He’s got an amateur’s level of knowledge while presenting as an expert. The moment in the video about China’s plans to invade Taiwan where he said he used Google Translate as opposed to asking literally anyone in DC who knows Mandarin to help him with translations was when I realized he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about for many of the subjects he covers. I think there are policy and IR issues where he actually does have some knowledge, but I don’t think any of it goes to the level of expertise required to educate on the subject, which is what he purports to do.
His Switzerland bunker video was great, had a look at the channel and it was dogshit
I live in Portland so I’ve had the “privilege” of seeing who Andy Ngo really is closer hand than most. He’s nothing but a right wing propagandist, but he tries to cast himself as a journalist. The only thing similarity between him and an actual journalist is that he writes things.
Someone earlier was still trying to push the “cement milkshakes” thing that never happened. It was scary when the media did pick him up while he was useful to them for a minute.
In a way I’m not surprised that the media picked that up. It was just hard to get a faithful account of everything that was happening at the scene.
Johnny Harris has always been doing that shit. With every video he gets more ‘centrist’, or permissively unchallenging.
He’s probably getting paid very well.
Before listening to Joe Rogan, my dad was a Reagan-era fiscal conservative, and now he regularly talks about how the WEF is a conspiratorial group trying to bring about the “great reset”, how COVID was both a hoax and also a bioweapon meant to disrupt western capitalism, and how BLM is a terrorist Marxist group who supports abortion as a means to destroy the nuclear family. I largely credit Rogan (and other ‘apolitical’ gateway pundits like him) for my father, and millions of other men, taking a hard turn right into reactionary politics.
He is not a harmless ‘dumb ape’
That sucks. I wonder how many years of time we’ve all lost with our parents because these con-men. I listen to “Knowledge Fight” and Alex Jones has been crowing for months now how he’s finally locked Joe in and got him to commit to the plan. The pride in his voice as he preens about duping Rogan makes me fell physically ill. Highly recommend “Knowledge fight” if you haven’t checked it out!
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fuck you for continuing this narrative that violence against people you don’t like is ok.
When did they say or imply this?
You said you argued with your friend about Ngo being attacked but not being the victim. Come on, it’s not like your comment was 100 pages long.
They were probably using definition 2 from Merriam-Webster.
attack verb at·tack ə-ˈtak attacked; attacking; attacks
transitive verb
1 : to set upon or work against forcefully attack an enemy fortification
2 : to assail with unfriendly or bitter words a politician verbally attacked by critics
3 : to begin to affect or to act on injuriously plants attacked by aphids
4
a : to set to work on attack a problem
b : to begin to eat (food) eagerly At the table he attacked his meal with such singleminded ferocity as to be, as Boswell put it, disgusting to those whose sensations were delicate.— Donald R. DeGlopper
5 chess : to threaten (a piece) with immediate capture
Bullshit, by this definition every journalist is under attack. Ngo was famously attacked in public with a concrete “milkshake” for supposedly being a nazi. There are people on Lemmy in other forums defending this. There is no confusion here, so don’t sow it.
Ngo isn’t a journalist. He’s a Nazi.
And you’re a fucking idiot.
There, famously, were never any concrete milkshakes when he HAD A VEGAN MILKSHAKE POURED ON HIM FROM CLOSER UP. In the video, the empty cup softly bounces to the ground. Look at the pictures. He’s wet with milkshake. His lawsuit that he lost didn’t include it. He sued a bunch of random people for picking on him. But every lawsuit was either dropped or he lost. The only money he got was from 3 people who didn’t show up to trial, so the law says they had to pay some of the lawyer fees ONLY because they didn’t show up.
One person punched him. That was wrong. One of the people he sued said she yelled and berated him (never touched him) because she’d had friends attacked and the assailants were spouting Ngo lies they’d seen on social media.
You’re being lied to. Willingly. Don’t let that happen.
Nah. Punch Nazis.
fuck you for continuing this narrative that violence against people you don’t like is ok.
They never said this.
I’m sure you’ll retort with him associating with fascists or providing kill lists (which is bullshit if you look into it) or being a “stochastic terrorist” (what the fuck even is that).
They never said this, and you’re REALLY gonna want to learn what stochastic terrorism is if you want to join intelligent conversation about modern politics.
It’s insane to me that your argument against Rogan is about not supporting anarchist guerilla warfare.
They never said this.
It’s clear from their comment that they are referring to the well known physically violent attack against Ngo, and that they are claiming that Ngo is not the victim here. It’s not theoretical astrophysics, read the comment again. What’s with the abject denialism here?
Regarding your other comments, I know what that means, I was just preemptively calling out potential BS responses, because they were used multiple times before on this very Lemmy instance by others defending the violence against Ngo.
You sound pretty angry for a pacifist.
Anger and violence are two different things bud.
I left reddit because all of the brain dead right wing trumper zombies that toe the line, only to find the left wing equivalents here. Fuck politics as a team sport.
Being argumentative is only going to help contribute into making lemmy another reddit. Many, many of us left reddit to escape these vitriolic violent comment threads that were so pervasive on the platform. It’s obvious that you’re passionate about your beliefs and I’m not trying to tell you to stop being passionate, but I don’t think really anybody enjoys seeing this platform becoming like that one.
I’m arguing AGAINST violence. I’m a pacifist. And I’m tired of being called right wing or fascist everytime I argue for pacificism, when I couldn’t be any further from the right wing. It’s insanity. Have you said anything to the violence supporters in this thread?
Such a pacifist that you’re a Nazi lover.
Well, one side talks about violence, and the other side both talks about and commits violence. Getting upset when leftists let off some steam and concluding that “both sides are the same” is a really smooth-brained take.
People who think that both sides are equal are routinely mocked for a reason.
another enlightened centrist!
Get all the way fucked? Besides having a completely hypothetical conversation on my behalf, with me supposedly wishing violence on people (didn’t, don’t, but also fuck around and find out); you so completely fail to divine the reasoning to my words that its beyond laughable. He isn’t a journalist. He’s a propagandist. He isn’t there to present the facts, he’s there to produce a narrative.
He’s a journalist in the same way James O’keefe is and FOX News* has to be news/entertainment. A perfect example was how he was fired by PSU Vanguard prior to his shadowing patriot prayer during a premeditated assault or getting hit with a milkshake. From his Wikipedia page
the Vanguard’s editor, Colleen Leary, fired Ngo and stated that he was dismissed because his summary of the Muslim student’s remarks reflected a reckless oversimplification and violation of journalistic ethics, and was meant to incite a reaction.[1] She said that the dismissal was “not partisan”.[1]
So yeah, in my opinion he doesn’t deserve the same protections afforded to legitimate journalists. We can debate what journalist means in the internet age, but he ain’t it. As to him getting hit with a milkshake, it was just a milkshake, and you reveal yourself when you felt the need to put that in quotations. Nobody shows up to a demonstration with quickcrete to mix into the nearest available milkshake. People just throw bottles, or rocks or bricks if they want to hit someone with something hard. If he was targeted for Christofascist affiliations, I’m not defending that violence, but that’s also where fuck around and find out comes in. Also from his Wikipedia page:
He reported being punched and blasted with bear spray while filming two separate May Day events, including a brawl between left-wing activists and members of Patriot Prayer, outside the Cider Riot pub.[44] Bellingcat stated that Ngo’s tweets framed the brawl as an unprovoked assault by anti-fascists.[45] Prior to the fight, Ngo was filmed standing in the presence of members of Patriot Prayer as they planned an attack on antifascists following the protests.[13][46] Ngo did not report on the actions of Patriot Prayer.[45] Five members of Patriot Prayer were charged with felony riot incitement for their actions on May Day 2019, including the group’s leader Joey Gibson.[47]
Again, he’s a propagandist that either got hit with a precision guided milkshake in a retribution shaking or more likely, randomly just got hit with a dessert like the clown he is. Violence begets violence, and approving or not this cycle will continue on until people more rational than us come to pass. You hold no benevolent middle ground here and instead of venting your misguided bullshit on internet people why don’t you go pay someone to listen to this nonsensical garbage. Honk your red nose, get in that tiny clown car and fuck all the way off you brain rotted simp.
The results for men are wild. A good chunk of the things men view as red flags are basically “she has an opinion”
And so many of them wonder why it’s hard to get a date
Yup thats sadly how most “normie” men think. They want bed/household slaves who 24/7 looks like a supermodel without any effort.
They want a bed/household slaves who 24/7 looks like a supermodel without any effort.
Pretty sure this is the tagline for fresh and fit.
I think that goes for both, but what those opinions are obviously matters.
Which ones? They’re similar for each gender.
To call those “similar” is incredibly disingenuous. They differ by as much as 100% in several cases
That percentage needs to be way higher for me to feel good things about it.
It’s depressing how reactionary many men are, even the young ones.
Seriously, they want tradwives, although most of them don’t actually want to support that lifestyle, they just want a bangmaid that’s also somehow independent enough to earn a living.
To them, tradwife = woman who is attractive (never fat), caters to their every whim, has enthusiastic sex whenever their husbands wants, does all cooking, cleaning, and taking care of the children, showers her husband in adoration, brings in extra income to support the family, and asks for nothing in return.
Fact is, these men will never get that, because they possess none of the traits that would be deserving of such devotion.
Also, if such a woman exists, I’d love to meet her and ask how the hell she manages.
I’d love to meet her and ask how the hell she manages.
Amphetamines, usually in the form of their childrens ADHD medication.
Man, I take ADHD meds. I still couldn’t do it.
Now cocaine, maybe…
They just want to self select out of any possibility of a relationship so they can blame women for them not getting any.
And tbf, women as a whole are better off without these guys trying to date them.
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They won’t get trad wives because they basically don’t exist any more
The days of simply working a 9 to 5 being enough to get you a wife are long gone, women are more educated and able to support themselves now, men have to bring more to the table than just money
I manage just fine… got a dick, tho. Hope that’s not a deal breaker.
If you’re a mega-powerhouse in your relationship, what is your spouse like? What is their income? What daily tasks are required of you? Are your children school-aged? Is your home worthy of the “Homes and Gardens”? What do you do when you’re sick? Are you fulfilled in your relationship? How long have you been married/together?
bangmaid
Frank is an inspiration to us all
Idk if they want them to earn a living.
If they’re in the work force some Chad might steal her from me!! Never can she leave the house.
These guys are always upset about women not working. Or upset that women working means they want a partner in life instead of relying on men for food and shelter.
Or they’re upset at the possibility of women needing alimony after spending their entire marriage not working while catering to their man’s every need
Or upset that they have to pay child support to the person with primary custody of said children (and probably doesn’t have great career prospects after being a housewife).
They live in some delusional fantasy land where women live to serve men, but aren’t at all concerned with their own well being when their men decide to ditch them.
I remember when I was that age, and I was the same way. I think it might be a part of toxic masculinity. People look up to men who are quick and decisive, not ones who sit and ponder. Any indecision is seen as a weakness.
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That number should be MUCH higher.
A goof chunk of the other 45% probably dont know the podcast
Mmm, goof chunk.
Also of note 76% of women consider being a MAGA republican a red flag and somehow one percent actually considers the person reading a red flag. Also being conservative is about as unpopular as being a communist.
A lot of women want men afflicted with toxic masculinity, without the toxic towards her part. A lot of the bling-bling gurlies find like men who display “feminine traits” to be “icky”.
The cissies have the most boring bdsm and they’re all into it. My pleather collar > their 10k diamond ring
… is reading a “feminine trait”?
To a lot of heteronormative people, yes.
It’s a red flag when I’m making new friends too.
It just screams “I don’t read up on any viewpoints presented to me”
Even as a man it’s a red flag - “me no think so good, big thoughts hurt brain, bald man make hurt go away with soothing words”
A friend of mine started listening to him, and now my friend is an all out asshole 😢
Americans are super weird…
Yeah, all of the flags listed there are mostly american politics culture war bs centric
You know those aren’t necessarily the ones that are the most common, just a random list that some pollster put together, right? And that the whole point of the list was to show political differences among current political topics, right?
Right?
The annoying thing is that they post articles like this without indicating it’s an US survey
I wish Lemmy had flairs like the language or reddit flairs so that we can filter out us centric topics.
That “They own a gun” question would be so strange in my country, I can’t imagine this being normal.
I am disappointed in my gender that more than 40℅ say that thinking there are only 2 genders is a green flag.
There are also other disappointing ones like refusing to see the Barbie movie and that so many think saying “black lives matter” is a red flag.
The alternative to the latter is that you don’t think black lives matter, which is the real red flag.
As a white non American man, what’s wrong with BLM?
They had a bunch of protests during 2020, and a couple of those protests got out of control (Kyle Rittenhouse famously murdered several protesters at one). The conservative news space spent the next 6 months painting them as a Marxist terrorist group and a lot of people bought in to that framing.
I think there were some clashes during the protests and also the movement got kinda perverted into some pseudo racist exclusivity and also had a lot of white people with white saviour complexes. There are also the folks who think that it should say All Lives Matter but they are kinda missing the point.
You can disagree with the organization while agreeing with the idea
Shouldn’t all lives matter?
Why exclude a certain group, that’s racist by itself.
And how is refusing to see a movie a red flag, I simply don’t care about movie, I rarely even watch movies in general.
“Black lives matter” is not meant as “only black lives matter”, but rather as “black lives matter too”. It started in response to black people being disproportionately killed by cops.
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obvious troll is obvious. get better material.
This has to be the most normie-ass sampling method of all time.
Ads on Facebook and Instagram???.. Only 1,000 people?.. More than 3% Sampling Error?
No wonder they got all of these fucking stupid results that every tabloid posted all over the internet without even waiting for ChangeReasearch to post the results on their site.
Maybe the commie dudes just fucked right off of Meta platforms and the only remaining dudes are sad and lonely incels who just want to look at the women who never left. (Assuming cishet here, no hate)
joe rogan is a moron who perpetuates whatever simple simon viewpoint strikes him at any moment. I remember when he was stoked about a red wave that never came. People don’t like douche bags, it’s a turn off. If you are influenced by douche bags women could find that unattractive.
The only people I know who like joe rogan think elon musk is a messiah (while hating electric cars), love rap music (while hating black people) and think their belly button smells good.
There are 2 people who said reading was a red flag?
I saw a video on YouTube of a celebrity (an actress who’s name I can’t remember) doing a walkthrough of her house and pointed out her reading room.
She literally said how weird it was that her and her friends would sit around and read. “Like who even reads anyway?” She said.
YouTubers tends to say those controversial shit because it increases engagement with people posting in the comments things like yours or “what’s wrong with reading, are you illiterate?”.
More engagement = more money
Religion/MAGA?
Religious folk aren’t shy to admit they don’t want people (usually their women) to become “too worldly”. That’s code for educated
Interesting stuff.
Me, born in the wrong generation to meet socialist women.
11% of both men and women say communism’s a green flag. I’ve still got a chance, motherfuckers
Women want liberals? Based on those numbers.
Women below 50 have a more positive view of socialism over capitalism. They just need a bit more theory to bring down the communist red flag numbers.
run deep.Liberalism : Anti-Socialist :: Socialism : Anti-Capitalist
It’s hard out there for a
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My takeaway from that is that men are less picky than women.
