Under an authoritarian government, there is neither left, nor right, nor civilian gun ownership.
Bold of you to assume that 2a will survive a coup for anyone not directly aligned with the new power structure, or for that matter, that any of the present US Constitution will survive a coup at all and not simply be replaced with martial law instantly and permanently: coups are slow until they’re not, and then they are lightning fast.
Someone’s clearly forgotten that every accusation is a confession, and has been tricked into looking at the wrong suspect. The ones who “are coming for your guns!” like the right wing propaganda machine so often screams these days, are not the “lefties” nor “liberals” nor even most of the right.
The ones who intend to take them are those who right now intend to be in power when democracy is gone, the Constitution is suspended, and they don’t want YOU pointing YOUR gun at the enforcers of the new order, whoever you are. If today you have a red Trump flag or a vote blue flag, tomorrow they will NOT give a shit: they are coming for EVERYONE’S guns.
“Lefties,” ha. Like there are going to be actual political parties under a dictatorship.
Trump supporters don’t care. They’re too stupid to realize anything you said. They think they’ll get special treatment under said dictatorship. It’s up to the “left” and whatever still sane centrists to turn out to vote regularly.
Do you believe gun ownership is as prevalent on that side as the right?
In rural areas, I’d say it’s even. In some parts of the country, even in non-rural areas it’s not a large divide. Many people have reasons for owning firearms, and the kinds of people that own them are as diverse as their reasons for wanting them in the first place. I myself am anything but right wing, and my first gun was purchased in and owned for many years in a large city. When I lived rurally, pretty much all my neighbors had guns, though I did not by that point (they assumed I did too, and I never indicated otherwise, so they spoke of it freely).
I gave it up for non-political reasons, but as an ex-gun owner who was a gun owner prior to all this craziness, I can tell you that NON-political gun owners are not shouting about their gun ownership and in general, don’t want anyone to know about it. I know I never did. Whose business is it but my own whether my home is armed or not? And if I do have a house full of guns, I also have a very attractive collection of theft targets I do not want to advertise. And even if I’m not armed, do I want anyone to know that for sure? No. Best to keep everyone guessing on all counts. Were I not writing anonymously, we would not now be having this conversation. But none of that will ever make the news, and never has, because it doesn’t rile anyone up in either direction.
Again, you’ve made the mistake of believing the media coverage you hear and assuming breadth of coverage equals breadth of real-life example. It does not. There are MANY more sane individual, non-political or liberal gun owners than you can imagine in the US. They’re just not talking about it or bringing media attention to it.
I should probably add, before you bring statistics into it, that gun ownership has only in the last couple of decades required real registration and tracking. When I bought and sold mine, I sold them through private sales, again decades ago. If some state thinks I still have a gun and wants me to produce it, all I have for them is a notarized bill of sale signed by both parties, and then they’re on their own, lol. There are a VAST number of untracked firearms in this country, owned by people who do not want to talk about them.
This is the kind of nuance that a mind attracted to authoritarianism just can’t understand.
I’ll be honest, I read about half of that. I’m just here to provide receipts.
According to the report by Statista, nearly half of Republicans (48%) reported that they own a gun, and 66% reported they live in a household with a gun. In comparison, only 20 percent of Democrats reported owning at least one gun, and 31 percent lived in a gun-owning household.
You’re not generally wrong here, but if trump were to become this dictator, in all likelihood he would call gun owners to kill the unarmed libs first. THEN take the guns from the righties. I’m not sure how that makes a huge difference from a self defense standpoint, but I thought it was an important step in the evolution of your described state
Yeah, I don’t see that happening at all, for a number of reasons. Trump is the useful idiot real dictators would hold out in front to get the rubes to sign up and make way for themselves. As soon as martial law was declared and the Constitution set aside, Trump would be too, probably for his legal replacement (VP or Speaker of the House, etc), who would hold the reins until the transfer of power was secure, less than a year. And then that person would be set aside for the real power, the one(s) orchestrating the coup to begin with.
(Note how Pence only backed out of the January 6 plan at the VERY last minute he could, and not prior: Pence knew there was a coup in progress, that it was already underway, and refused to get into the Secret Service vehicle specifically for that reason, though he claimed ignorance as to the rest.)
You can believe Trump would be a dictator, but he was president for a single term, he is no longer incumbent, and most importantly, Trump literally cannot string together a coherent sentence or even keep from shitting his pants publicly. It takes much more than Trump has to engineer and successfully execute a coup over the span of several years. Agree to disagree, I guess.
Under an authoritarian government, there is neither left, nor right, nor civilian gun ownership.
Bold of you to assume that 2a will survive a coup for anyone not directly aligned with the new power structure, or for that matter, that any of the present US Constitution will survive a coup at all and not simply be replaced with martial law instantly and permanently: coups are slow until they’re not, and then they are lightning fast.
Someone’s clearly forgotten that every accusation is a confession, and has been tricked into looking at the wrong suspect. The ones who “are coming for your guns!” like the right wing propaganda machine so often screams these days, are not the “lefties” nor “liberals” nor even most of the right.
The ones who intend to take them are those who right now intend to be in power when democracy is gone, the Constitution is suspended, and they don’t want YOU pointing YOUR gun at the enforcers of the new order, whoever you are. If today you have a red Trump flag or a vote blue flag, tomorrow they will NOT give a shit: they are coming for EVERYONE’S guns.
“Lefties,” ha. Like there are going to be actual political parties under a dictatorship.
Trump supporters don’t care. They’re too stupid to realize anything you said. They think they’ll get special treatment under said dictatorship. It’s up to the “left” and whatever still sane centrists to turn out to vote regularly.
I’m clearly talking about who currently identifies more with the left side of the spectrum.
Do you believe gun ownership is as prevalent on that side as the right?
In rural areas, I’d say it’s even. In some parts of the country, even in non-rural areas it’s not a large divide. Many people have reasons for owning firearms, and the kinds of people that own them are as diverse as their reasons for wanting them in the first place. I myself am anything but right wing, and my first gun was purchased in and owned for many years in a large city. When I lived rurally, pretty much all my neighbors had guns, though I did not by that point (they assumed I did too, and I never indicated otherwise, so they spoke of it freely).
I gave it up for non-political reasons, but as an ex-gun owner who was a gun owner prior to all this craziness, I can tell you that NON-political gun owners are not shouting about their gun ownership and in general, don’t want anyone to know about it. I know I never did. Whose business is it but my own whether my home is armed or not? And if I do have a house full of guns, I also have a very attractive collection of theft targets I do not want to advertise. And even if I’m not armed, do I want anyone to know that for sure? No. Best to keep everyone guessing on all counts. Were I not writing anonymously, we would not now be having this conversation. But none of that will ever make the news, and never has, because it doesn’t rile anyone up in either direction.
Again, you’ve made the mistake of believing the media coverage you hear and assuming breadth of coverage equals breadth of real-life example. It does not. There are MANY more sane individual, non-political or liberal gun owners than you can imagine in the US. They’re just not talking about it or bringing media attention to it.
I should probably add, before you bring statistics into it, that gun ownership has only in the last couple of decades required real registration and tracking. When I bought and sold mine, I sold them through private sales, again decades ago. If some state thinks I still have a gun and wants me to produce it, all I have for them is a notarized bill of sale signed by both parties, and then they’re on their own, lol. There are a VAST number of untracked firearms in this country, owned by people who do not want to talk about them.
This is the kind of nuance that a mind attracted to authoritarianism just can’t understand.
I’ll be honest, I read about half of that. I’m just here to provide receipts.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-owns-more-guns-democrats-or-republicans/ar-AA17ibLK
So, lefties, don’t give up your guns.
You’re not generally wrong here, but if trump were to become this dictator, in all likelihood he would call gun owners to kill the unarmed libs first. THEN take the guns from the righties. I’m not sure how that makes a huge difference from a self defense standpoint, but I thought it was an important step in the evolution of your described state
Yeah, I don’t see that happening at all, for a number of reasons. Trump is the useful idiot real dictators would hold out in front to get the rubes to sign up and make way for themselves. As soon as martial law was declared and the Constitution set aside, Trump would be too, probably for his legal replacement (VP or Speaker of the House, etc), who would hold the reins until the transfer of power was secure, less than a year. And then that person would be set aside for the real power, the one(s) orchestrating the coup to begin with.
(Note how Pence only backed out of the January 6 plan at the VERY last minute he could, and not prior: Pence knew there was a coup in progress, that it was already underway, and refused to get into the Secret Service vehicle specifically for that reason, though he claimed ignorance as to the rest.)
You can believe Trump would be a dictator, but he was president for a single term, he is no longer incumbent, and most importantly, Trump literally cannot string together a coherent sentence or even keep from shitting his pants publicly. It takes much more than Trump has to engineer and successfully execute a coup over the span of several years. Agree to disagree, I guess.