• themachine@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Care to cite your sources in that claim? I’m know they are far from anything that could be considered “good” but “worse than cigs” is news to me.

    • Stovetop@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I am not the previous poster, but the argument that I’ve heard on that front is that smoking was already trending rapidly downwards in use and would have made itself obsolete within a couple generations.

      Vaping on the other hand established itself as a “safer” alternative to smoking and became trendy with more younger people who wouldn’t have smoked in the first place.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah, that’s in no way worse than inhaling smoke and dozens of proven carcinogens…

        Vaping is worse than nothing, but the notion that it’s worse than smoking is completely deranged.

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        1 year ago

        Completely anecdotal, but it was able to get me, my wife and my father to all stop smoking by switching to vaping and then eventually quitting vaping.

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          Ditto. Both my wife and I were heavy smokers and moved to vapes. As soon as I used a vape I thought “this is the solution!” after trying to quit smoking many times for decades.

          They really provide 80 to 90% of the satisfaction of a cigarette and take the edge off those moments when you damn well need a ciggie.

          After a couple of years of vaping I find it now much easier to do without them for a few days, although I do like one with a beer.

          You have to have been on that 10 or 20 year journey of smoking cigarettes to understand how hard they are to put down, and vaping was the tool that got me away from burning the evil tobacco leaf.

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            1 year ago

            I was a a pack - pack and a half a day smoker for 12 years. Had tried to quit for many years and had all but given up when i tried a salt nicotine vape. A month later i was smoke free, and 2 weeks after that i had kicked the vape (was never a fan of nicotine by itself, so the vape was easy to kick). This was about 2 and a half years ago now. Vapes are an indispensable tool to quit smoking.

      • thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com
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        1 year ago

        Vaping is a safer alternative. 95% safer.

        Nicotine is about as dangerous and addictive as caffeine (actually a bit less so, but that’s splitting hairs). You should really be more concerned about kids being able to buy energy drinks than vapes.

        Source: Me. I’ve been following the research on this for nearly 15 years.

        • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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          Nicotine is more addictive than caffeine in the quantities you regularly consume it and vaping has more serious side effects than drinking a cup of coffee. You’re completely correct about vaping being safer than smoking though - for life long smokers the vape can be quite impactful on their long term health… but it’s still much healthier to do neither.

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      1 year ago

      Their sources are effective propaganda campaigns that greatly distort the validity or results of studies based on poor scientific journalism.