• logicbomb@lemmy.world
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    Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security

    First of all, that isn’t even internally consistent. Security is the thing that ensures your life, not freedom. You may decide that freedom is more valuable than your security, but that is clearly risking your life, so freedom cannot, by definition, be more valuable to your life than security.

    Second, I guess a guy like you must not support the military at all. Every military person sacrifices some of their freedom to give us security. Former President Trump has said that the soldiers who died in battle defending our country were “suckers” and “losers”. I guess you’d find nothing to disagree with there, right?

    Third, you’re clearly referencing this Benjamin Franklin quote, but you’re misquoting it, so I’ll go ahead and quote it exactly. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” We’re not talking about an “essential” liberty here, nor are we talking about “a little temporary” safety. We’re talking about an unimportant liberty and long-lasting safety.

    And it’s not just your safety. You’re willing to sacrifice the safety of every American citizen, not for your liberty, but because you have a toy that you like to play with, and you like to pretend like you could use your toys to defend yourself, when the truth is that you’re unlikely to ever run into a situation like that, and it’s even unlikelier that you’d have such a situation were there decent gun control laws. You’re like a person who buys a lottery ticket and starts maxing out your credit card because you think it’s likely you’re going to win. But it’s actually absurdly unlikely.

    You’re optimizing for an unlikely situation at the cost of a known likely situation. It’s insanity.

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      You seem to like to make a lot of assumptions about people. Whatever, spend your time how you like.

      All of the Trump people are fucking morons, and nothing about me has anything to do with them, other than I commented on this post about one of them. I’m pro-military, proud of my friends who served and sacrificed their mental health to fight in the oil wars ostensibly for our country. I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted and I make a great living doing work that is mostly risk-free.

      Gun rights are here to stay in America whether you like it or not. I choose to accept and embrace that liberty, and I’ll support it permanently.

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        I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted

        Holy shit. That means that you actually do believe that people who enlist aren’t smart enough. I happen to know a few people who enlisted who were very smart. I can’t believe you’d actually admit to thinking something like that.

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          It’s pretty obvious that it was not smart to enlist to fight the War on Terror. It was all bullshit, since Saudi Arabia was the perpetrator of 9/11 and we never attacked them.

          I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe. I’m quite content with the quality of my character and beliefs, and my life is pretty great.

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            I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe.

            Great! Now that you’ve freely admitted that you think you’re smarter than any enlisted person, what other beliefs do you have that would get you pilloried if you admitted them publicly? For example, maybe you think that some races are smarter than others, or perhaps you think the sexes are not equal.

            If you’re not afraid to admit anything that you honestly believe, then you should have no problem listing your other bigotries right here.

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              Wow you are really reaching for some hate material aren’t you. You want to build up a “bad guy” persona to represent me, because you don’t like the ideas that I have expressed.

              Bottom line is that I’m here to stand for the rights of Americans, and I will never acquiesce to any restrictions on our freedom. That’s what the topic was about and I’m done.