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Googling does become a hell of a lot easier if you know what the concept you’re looking for is called.
I find myself going to ChatGPT for this stuff now.
“I’m trying to do something like [concept]. What is that called and can you give me an example”
Usually I get my results faster and easier than Google.
be careful using it as your only source of truth, even more so when you don’t know what you’re searching for exactly
If it spits out the wrong syntax my compiler will tell me immediately.
While I never had it happen, it could give you wrong command line switches that do damage. For example, when I asked how I could list volumes attached to an AWS instance, it gave me a “modify-volume” command instead of “describe-volume” command. Thankfully, I caught that before I cut and paste it.
had a similar problem searching for gcloud commands
Oh yes. With that sort of thing better double check each time.
It’s bad enough at programming that you can often see the problems without the help of the compiler
Last thing I asked it for, after the fourth draft still had undeclared variables and called imaginary libraries (which if they existed would be great)
It was good for coming up with a nice structure for a small program
You can ask it for source now with browser integration. Previously the browser extension was a separate model with gpt3.5 which was pretty bad, now it’s just integrated into gp4. It works a million times better and it’s great that it doesn’t break the flow of the conversation.
You can say the same for Google
I had an emailed a question that I didn’t really know where to go with, so I asked Copilot to answer the email factually. Sent that email with a note of ai origin, but it was close enough and got us into right track
“There is no point in reinventing the wheel” is my favorite saying when it comes to things like this.
If something has been done over and over again, there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch. It wastes time, money, and effort that could be spent on creating something new.
Humanity’s greatest strength is being able to add to the previous generation’s knowledge base, too!
If we had to relearn how to do the same things in the same way, in every generation, we would still be in the stone age…
When I manage folks, I expect them to steal if its already been done and especially if it’s been done to death.
there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch.
Learning. The point is to learn.
You don’t have to learn everything that way, but you understand things a lot better when you’ve built them from scratch, and that underlying foundation enhances the entire knowledge stack.
I like both of your guys’ points. Keeping all old knowledge while deconstructing and rebuilding it to make it understandable to newer generations is pretty great in my opinion
If I relied on my college CS textbooks as reference for anything I code now, not only would it have been outdated 2 years after purchase, but it’s been ten damn years now. Only actual reference books I have are for theory. And even then it’s probably not the best source anymore.
I’ve made it two decades in IT and related fields by searching for answers using Google. I accidentally took my laziness, love of automation, and ability to Google and became an SRE. Then I accidentally became a senior software engineer because the director on that side of the house liked my initiative and was sure my skills would translate. I protested but got a substantial bump to do it.
I’m failing upwards by abusing stack overflow and search engines.
Have you tried Microsoft’s Bing Chat / Copilot?
Yep. I’ve got company access to GitHub Copilot, a personal subscription to ChatGPT, and I use Bing Copilot.
Bing and ChatGPT have a lot of utility overlap. Those things don’t do my job for me but they do generate initial ideas and double check my code. I also use GPT as my rubber duck that kind of talks back. I literally tell it to be a rubber duck and pretend to know nothing, then chat with it. It’s pretty great for that. Better than the bear that sits on my desk, but not as fun to look at.
Those are the newest tools in my arsenal of “Make computers do my job and rake in the paycheck”.
I ask ChatGPT to roleplay as my 90s sitcom programming teachers Chip Bytefield, makes me giggle a lot more when I use it for ‘poor mans’ peer programming :-). Gonna try your idea too, sound fun!
I literally made money on a contract this year doing something I’d never even done. Thank you google. Love it
You never did it, but still made money for claiming that you had?
I’d : contraction I + had, past participle active. Indicative of something having been done by the subject (in first person) in the past.
"I did something I had never done (before / in the past).
“Before” is not implied.
It is
Nope.
Looks like everyone but you understood it correctly - maybe you should brush up on your language comprehension skills?
Take an English class, I’m sure YouTube has a good video explaining it (basically there are different “degrees” of past tense, did / had done etc.)
It’s still not implicit just because you inferred it.
Well the word “before” doesn’t need to implicit. The “had” in I’d is more than enough past for the sentence to make sense
In the English language, an action I “had done” is before an action I “did.” It’s a grammatical case, not an inference.
He stated that he had not done it, not that he had not done it before.
Must be a government contract
I did do this for web dev for a government contract. I got brought on for mobile optimizations but ended up doing full UI/UX design and marketing copy with no experience. All through their shitty in house WYSIWYG. $60/hr for a full year lol.
Nah, business.
In IT contracting (at least the fields I’m around) it’s quite common that “being able to acquire new skills quickly” is one of the skills you get paid for, and the time needed for you to do that is accounted for in the project planning.
Assume they meant “previously”
If they meant it, they’d have written it.
I can at least agree with the last line.
Don’t use google.
Use stackoverflow directly.
Ask the question on Lemmy!
A meme programming language would be cool. I can’t find one in this list:
https://esolangs.org/wiki/Joke_language_list
Nah, use Kagi.
I agree. Bard is way better for this purpose
Too bad Google search sucks now.
teachers dont say that
“When will you ever walk around with a calculator in your pockets!?”
My teacher dead ass said that to me when I was 9 and had a Casio wrist watch with a calculator on it.
Oh damn, my man got style.
As a millenial, this is the most zoomer sentence I’ve ever read
Watches with calculator functionality have existed since 1970 so… Nothing millennial or zoomer about it. It’s firmly in boomer territory.
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I like your funny words magic man
Yeah, i remember that. But tbh, the stock calculator apps on most phones suck ass.
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Just don’t google google. No laughing matter. You could break the internet.
I did that twice today by accident. I’m sorry 🥹
That explains why it was so slow.
Oh great, now we need to take it down from Big Ben and de-magnetise it. 🤦♂️
Do teachers actually say this these days? Or are you making it up just for the sake of the meme.
They did say it when I was a kid, although that’s at least 16 years ago now
for us oldbies, who went to school before the internet was popular, it used to be “You won’t have a calculator with you everywhere you go!”
You won’t always have access to books from a printing press, youngster, so you must derive all knowledge from first principles!
And ftr, there’s always been a good reason to learn things from first principles, and for teachers to encourage students to practice learning from first principles. You end up with a deeper understanding about it, can answer more questions on your own, and can ask better questions and get faster answers, if you understand the layers beneath your question.
That’s still no excuse for teachers being dishonest about the reason though. I don’t believe that teachers in the 70’s and 80’s thought calculators were just gonna go away.
Googling problems certainly helps but you still need enough knowledge to define the problem, Google it, and implement the solution.
I get the impression that a lot of posted solutions are from people who actually spoke to high level tech support for various hardware/software because how else would they know things like what obscure registry key with a very arbitrary name to add?
That’s a big part people don’t understand is you need to know enough about your problem to google the correct terms and find what you need. Googling itself is a learned skill.
This is so true. That’s why there’s no shame in using Google or Duckduckgo or even Chatgpt. You have to know enough to phrase the right question, know how to filter the right answer, and then use it.
I can Google a Chinese dictionary, but that won’t make me fluent in Chinese.
As someone who worked in tech support and a sys admin role, yes, and thank you. I would say 90% of all issues and problems I had were either solved or pointed in the right direction since 2006, the year I started.
I’ll do you one better. I’ve learned that in the absence of online information for a bug or fault, that I’m most likely attempting something that is better solved another way. Like, nobody does it like the harebrained thing I just invented, so it’s just me and everyone else with a (different) working solution.
Google search results have become so bad i barely use it today. Its even better to use chatgpt. You have to take every answer with a grain of salt but usually it can give you a few options and give you resources to work with. Google search sucks ass. The amount of times i do NOT find what im searching for is way too high
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Im full time IT, a huge chunk of my job was learned through google. My current position looked incredibly different before we had phones and could research everything on the fly. I feel bad for tech’s who didn’t have access to research tools like we do now.
I work in controls and I couldn’t imagine how life was working with allen bradley stuff pre internet. there’s a manual for everything
Well, for once it was far smaller code base and significantly simpler. Better optimized though since hardware was very limited. Middleware nightmare we are currently living in is no joke. Soon we’ll have to have search engine locally indexing stuff because code grew so big. People just include everything without thinking. Yea sure pull entire web browser for your note taking app because they were too lazy to learn few calls to UI library.
Well, you need the basics of software development to start with. But sure, I’m not going to make my own implementation for every problem I come across. That would be insanity and a colossal waste of time.
However, people googling or using ChatGPT to create code they do not understand themselves, are just cargo cult programming, and it will bite them in the arse/ass (delete as applicable).
Your teacher was at least right about not using Google. Use literally whatever else
