This is hard because yes dogs are awesome.
But so are cows, and pigs.
I’m no vegan, but It’s interesting that the revulsion line for so many is dogs rather than fellow land mammals, land creatures, or something more distinct than a mammal you find particularly cute.
I’d argue the moral judgment here largely comes from people who just plain abstain from pointing that same moral judgment to sentient creatures they do eat. A cow or a pig is no less an individual than a dog.
As for me, I am eagerly awaiting lab grown meat becoming more available as an end to our species’ barbarism. Usually all I hear back is disgust at the concept. Give it a chance, for the sake of all the creatures we breed to torture and kill. If we can grow animal protein that tastes the same, that’s a win for everyone.
We bred dogs specifically to love people and to be expressive in an innately human way, so it feels wrong to kill them. Cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, etc. were bred for food. There’s less betrayal if the idea was always to eat them.
Cows are not bred only to supply meat, they supply labor to till fields and provide manure for crops. The dog breeds used for food in those regions are bred specifically for food, no different than current domesticated animals. Its the lack of that understanding and diminishing the work that other domesticated animals do that cause the problem. Hell there are plenty of studies that show pigs are smarter than dogs, we use them for organ transplants and stuff. You can legitamately argue pigs are more innately human than dogs are.
Pigs don’t have expressive faces, built-in emotional understanding of humans, and, most importantly, infinite affection. Horses supplanted cows as farm… workhorses, which severely altered our perception of them in the west. It’s a marketing issue.
Emphasis on the west. In eastern culture, cows are still used (e.g cows in india are considered sacred). Hell, an example of a cow that was originally not bred for consumption is the wagyu, a highly sought after piece of meat. But of course, as westerners, apparently we disregard that fact…
In 1868, Englishman Edward Charles Kirby established the first slaughterhouse in Kobe, and in 1869, a sukiyaki restaurant called “Gekka-tei” opened in Kobe.
TIL
I really appreciate your usage of the word “betrayal” here, I think it’s incredibly apt.
but do you think this makes any moral difference? or that it would matter at all to the being having their throat slashed or thrashing in a gas chamber?Not really, I’m vegetarian out of preference but I get where people come from. I’ve offered the truth of the matter, irrespective of my feelings on it.
What does betrayal have to do with the morality of killing something?
It’s either right or wrong to kill something if you don’t have to for survival.
If you think killing dogs is wrong, then killing cows or pigs should also be wrong.
I don’t think it’s unfair to say there’s a spectrum to this. I’m not going to feel as bad with an ant dying compared to a dog
I agree. I still eat shrimp and some fish. The fish bother me, but not enough to stop eating them, and the shrimp don’t bother me cause they’re basically underwater crickets.
For example killing an elephant is worse than killing a chicken. And everyone draws the line somewhere already (unless you’re fine with eating endangered animals and even cannibalism). It’s just where does your own morality draw the line at what level of creature it’s ok to ask to die for your next meal?
You’re talking about morality and I’m considering people’s feelings, however convoluted they might be. It’s not a moral issue, it’s marketing.
Is killing a person a moral issue, or is that also simply marketing?
Your food and clothing likely involved slavery directly and murder by less than a degree of separation, you goober. Yes, it’s a marketing issue.
Sorry you’re not cute enough, now go into your dungeon, because i really like factory meat.
I made a comment like that to my younger sister when I was just out of high school and you’d think that I had just burned the Bible in front of my father or something.
As a rule, most Americans prefer the bliss of ignorance.
I’d argue the moral judgment here largely comes from people who just plain abstain from pointing that same moral judgment to sentient creatures they do eat. A cow or a pig is no less an individual than a dog.
so the issue isn’t whether cows or dogs are individuals.
This issue is about that, as people are upset about cruelty to dogs but just put blinders on for cows.
No person anyone would consider sane would advocate on behalf of saving watermelons, as they have no emotions like fear or sense of self-preservation. Most westerners know intimately that dogs do, but we choose not to dwell on the similar plight of cows, mostly because of the long standing tradition of eating cows. Tradition as always is an idiot thing.
So yeah, the issue here does revolve around these creatures being sentient individuals, and our erratic recognition of that among the species we choose to consume.
This issue is about that, as people are upset about cruelty to dogs but just put blinders on for cows.
the distinguishing characteristic isn’t necessarily the individuality of each, and given that you’re right that there is no appreciable difference in that regard, there must be some other factor at play.
I’m no vegan
why not?
Doesn’t taste nearly as good, doesn’t satiate the pallette. And yes I’ve tried all the impossibles and faux stuff multiple times because I like to try new things.
That said, I’m completely for alternative routes to meat, and will give them every opportunity as they mature to break my bad habit. Plant based meat just isn’t an adequate nicotine patch for such things, at least not yet.
I hear you. I don’t eat meat, and I haven’t for several years. I still find it extremely tempting sometimes to eat some chicken wings.
The only reason I don’t is because whenever I actually think, “maybe I should just have some,” I get overwhelmed with flashes in my mind visualizing the deaths of the chickens and then I just… can’t.
But if those flashes weren’t there I definitely would’ve caved by now.
that sounds like ptsd.
it really snaps into view when you think about it as an addiction; which also just so happens to be fueling and unfathomably cruel bundle of industries that is destroying the planet - so the stakes are pretty high here.
I would encourage people to try veganuary this year, it’s growing massively and there’s tons of support.I mean couldn’t you argue that anything that gives enjoyment be considered an addiction then. I mean thats sort of the function of seratonin.
and that’s totally fine when it doesn’t inherently victimize someone else.
Understandable, nothing tastes quite as fine as animal suffering.
We get it. You’re better than us. You can put that on your bio.
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Case and point: affluent white women go goo-goo gah-gah over doggies so Westerners immediately revere them above other animals.
It’s cognitive dissonance at its finest, but I don’t expect more from meat-eaters.
While I support the goal of ending dog meat, I think this is approaching it from the wrong side. Don’t attack the supply, attack the demand. All of these dog farmers make their living by selling their product to people who have chosen to buy dog meat. Many of them still want this, and will resort to black markets if it gets banned.
We’re actually on a good path with it right now- they are only able to discuss a ban because it’s fallen out of favor with people. In particular, the younger generations are turning away from it. A marketing campaign against dog meat will face much less resistance than a ban.
That’s their threat? If you don’t let us butcher these dogs we’ll let them go?
As much as I don’t want the dogs to be butchered, having two million stray dogs could cause problems.
Unsocialized dogs who now have to find food for the first time in their lives roaming the streets and countryside will cause havoc to everyone around them.
Well I guess this answers my question of whether there were really that many people still eating dogs. Apparently it’s not as rare as people made it to be.
When I lived in Incheon, I got on the bus to Seoul in front of dog meat breeding place whatever you call it. Those sounds of dog misery was a huge reason I left the country. Absolutely brutal and barbaric. Glad to know that’s finally changing.
So…terrorism if economic demands are not met?
Damn this is some crazy reporting from countries that have gigantic pig factories. Dogs and pigs are so similar 😢
I don’t think the answer is an outright ban of dog meat; does this address cruelty against farm animals, or is it a feel good political move from the current ruling party? Korea loves pork, pigs are treated similarly, and I don’t see any calls for reform there.
I’ve never eaten dog meat but it’s not my place to judge. If the issue is inhumane conditions, then address those. The issue is not consumption of dog meat.
I live in South Korea and I think it’s safe to say that more than 90% of the population is at least not in favor of it. The only real demand is very old and few. It got harder and harder to find places that serve(disgusting) them, to the point where you can’t really have them unless you really, really search for them.
This is not as controversial of a topic as you might think here. Some online trolls are actively in favor of them because of their fuck animal right activists mindset but other than them, most people find it disgusting to the point where public display of butchered dogs, which were very common like a decade ago, is pretty much gone at this point. I don’t argue with any of the people who are saying well dogs are no different than pigs or cows. I can, but I don’t. They will be banned at some point, possibly and hopefully pretty soon. It’s to the point where arguing about it won’t affect the course nor the speed of the change.
Do it. You won’t, pussies
Do it. You won’t, bitches
FTFY
Sooo… they are threatening to do what the animal-rights people would have done anyway?
Doesn’t sound like much of a threat to me.
Freeing 2 million dogs? Don’t threaten me with a good time…
Yes release them! Make doggo heaven real.
What is the environmental effect of dog meat farming vs American farm animal meat?
I was going to say that I think it’s worse since they are carnivorous, but then I remembered that dogs eat kibble as well as meat. Wikipedia says that they can consume starch. Some rando dog-food company claims that wheat isn’t a filler, but adds vitamins and minerals. Idk about all that (not a dog owner) but I imagine that farmed dogs are probably fed the cheapest, most generic kibble available
So… ?
Interesting question, though. Personally just hoping for lab grown meat to become a thing
They are smaller which means less food waste and can also be kept closer to the point of consumption. But the other person points out their diet is omnivorous rather than just eating grass. If I had to guess I’d say it’s maybe around that of rabbit, which is better than beef but worse than chicken.
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