Stolen from Deltachat
At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.
I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.
Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.
Gaming on Linux is pretty legit now. I don’t even boot into windows very often. In recent memory, only one AAA game didn’t work out of the box for me that required booting into windows.
No joke, most of my games work better on Linux because of proton than my Windows box. Such a nice experience.
Same here. Linux just need rolling gameplay recording and better controller support (steering wheels for one) and for me it’d be set. I know Decky has it for the Steam Deck but I haven’t seen one for desktop that works fine on Wayland.
Does OBS screen-capture not work?
Used it before but not for rolling recordings. I heard it can be janky with hotkeys on Wayland, but I’ll have to give it a shot.
So far black desert online is the only game that I’ve wanted to play that I can’t on Linux (eac is awful). I know there are others, but it’s mainly fps games that bother with windows-only eac and I don’t play fps games all that much. Battlebit is probably the only fps I’ve been playing in the past few months, and they use/will be using a linux-compatible eac version which I’m jazzed about
Actually, EAC has a Proton-compatible build, the devs just have to use it. It’s not a hard switch, they just have to choose to allow Linux compatibility, which most devs (well, really it’s probably an exec level decision) do not.
Really sucks because older games will likely never get this. Looking at ones like Ghost Recon Wildlands. I do not care for the newer release but was excited to play Wildlands with my brother from my Steam Deck.
Game loaded just fine into the world and then I got kicked within a few seconds with a EAC error.
In black desert’s case, there’s no chance they would ever allow anyone to play without a kernel anti cheat, which EAC doesn’t allow on linux. The game is literally all grind, if bots could run on linux it would absolutely ravage the already shit economy.
From the controversy around battlebit using eac, apparently the eac version that is just a checkmark for proton/Linux support is not a drop in replacement for the regular one that is more popular. The one with that option would require a lot of refactoring code, and doesn’t have all of the features of the main eac unfortunately.
it doesnt seem to be that way, https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/easy-anti-cheat-not-as-simple-as-expected-for-proton-and-steam-deck/
I only ever boot Windows for VR. That’s it
Modding can be an issue though.
Btw, does Wallabag work now on Linux?
And i don’t get Reshade since 5.* to work in wine/proton anymore?
I gave up on trying BattleBit for free on Ubuntu 22.04 this weekend, no Proton or GE-Proton version would run that motherfucker.
I didn’t feel like booting Windows.
I have never ever seen this on my windows install.
I’ve never once seen this, is it W11?
I’m on W11 and have never seen an ad in the OS.
I suspect they allowed notifications from some application. When I installed 11 I did it with the offline/local account login instead of the Microsoft account and skipped activation with all optional “features” disabled, then on first login immediately installed Firefox as default, and then disabled telemetry, tracking, targeted ads, location settings, updates, Defender, crash reporting, phoning home, and all unused devices and services that are turned on by default that I don’t use. It’s a shame those are the defaults but I have no complaints about Windows performance after that.
But I finally got speedy with i3 keyboard shortcuts and my games all work great on Linux (perfunctory “btw I use Arch”), so now the only use I have for Windows is in VirtualBox to run ShareMouse until I can find a linux <-> macos KVM alternative that doesn’t require sudo on macos (rip input-leap).
Not that I condone that notification, as I equally hate it too, but if you right-click it, you can tell Windows to never show those notifications ever again. I haven’t gotten one since doing that.
It’s still shitty, nonetheless, and I still fucking hate Windows. Only use it because I have to for work and gaming, for the most part.
Yeah. I was literally just talking about how my SteamDeck is going to let me retire my remaining Windows PC. And by retire it, I mean install Linux, and continue to enjoy it.
If you can’t even find the option to disable suggestions, can you even call yourself a computer expert?
No, but you can call yourself a gamer.
Just disable everything I don’t get this on my pc
Me either. Not that I’m advocating this BS practice!
I’m also surprised that people see this kind of ads: I haven’t seen any since I removed Outlook free (after Windows prompted me to switch because the older UWP Mail app was being retired). I’m always surprised when people complain about the number of ads they get in Windows.
But that’s not the point: the point is no paid software should contain any ad.
I much prefer Windows to MacOS. The fact it is missing decent tiling is a nonstarter. It’s too inflexible for my workflow.
And sure, Windows can be maddeningly inconsistent, but what really destroys the experience is the constant ensh*ttification. I know a lot of people here hate everything about Windows, but for me, it only sucks because Microsoft designs it to suck.
Not only are there ads and (some) first party lockin, I cannot trust they will continue offering updates, paywall feaures, restrict more functionality, or insert stuff like AI to mess up my workflow.
I used to think reliability was just about stability and bugginess, but now I think it is about trust as well.
I use Amethyst on Mac for tiling: https://ianyh.com/amethyst/.
Not sure if that’s what you meant though.
Yabai works pretty well even with SIP enabled and there’s a new one called AeroSpace that’s in the works.
Looks nice, I’ll check it out if I have to use Mac OS again.
Let’s hope you don’t
Another good one is Magnet. Its weakness is that the tiling is manual, but once you internalize the keybindings, it’s good enough. And because it’s manual, it doesn’t screw up your windows like all the others seem to (for me at least).
Sway on Linux beats all of them hands down, though.
Is that so? I’ve been wanting to try a tilling manager for Linux, thanks for the recommend!
If you must use X11 for some reason, i3 is the OG. Sway is Wayland. But yeah, I think those two are pretty much perfection.
I’m searching for some document on my work PC and I see ads in my start menu, like what the fuck?
Can somebody exploit that already so they get rid of it
Lol, is this meme for real? Most mac users would never touch Linux. Like, yes, they are both based on Unix… But come on now, this is just intellectually dishonest.
Most Mac users, in my experience, have no idea how to operate anything without an apple logo on it.
Linux users are in the (well constructed) tent camp in the local park that Mac users ride their electric scooters past while desperately trying to avoid eye contact.
Linux users are the homeowners who build and fix everything they can, but look down on people that don’t find craftsmanship fun, claiming that they’re saving money by doing the work themselves. Good on you for having that hobby, but if you don’t enjoy it, spending time to learn those skills costs time that could be spent earning more money than you’d save. Paying an expert to do things you don’t enjoy is usually the cheaper option. They can be found almost anywhere, similar to how Linux users use Apple or windows products from time to time.
Mac users are suburb dwellers who view their way of life as what everyone should aspire to, ignorant to the downsides of sprawl and reliance on cars to go anywhere. Commute times suck, while walkable neighborhoods with public transit make most people healthier and happier. There’s an important classist component, often bundled with racism, that underscores this ideal.
Windows users are people that live in urban areas for work, trying to find reasonable rent or home prices as unchecked capitalism makes everything worse, but unaware why things suck. They get annoyed when people share their passion for handiwork, and dislike suburban folks for thinking they’re superior rather than the downsides to suburban life. However, because most people live this way, and live this way for work, they usually don’t have strong identities like suburbanites or handy homeowners.
Homeless people are those who can’t afford computers, overlapping with actual homeless people, and rural people are those that don’t use computers more than they need to, socializing face to face and literally touching grass.
This is a very interesting analogy, thanks for sharing
Thanks, Jessica.
They’re totally, definitely, absolutely not Jessica!
I think it still works. The user you describe doesn’t care about Linux, they just don’t like windows. So they would not wash their hands
A lot of software development in a corporate environment is using a Mac as the host. Not to say it’s the target build env. So id say some Mac users know Linux far better than you think. In my experience.
Mac is worse than Windows
From the standpoint of linux that is true.
Linux distros aren’t unix. Common misconception. Mac OS is certified in fact.
Mainly because Windows has more support. Software availability is the biggest draw to Windows. I would quite happily drop it in a heartbeat if Linux came close.
At least it’s unix
MacOS is still Unix under the hood, and has been since they adapted NeXTSTEP.
Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS, where everything would grind to a halt if you clicked and held the mouse button.
Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
I absolutely agree
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS
Or some weird old Unixes like AIX
Yeah, but at least they’re unixes (unices?).
I think Unices would be correct, if it works like “appendix” etc…
Or it could be “Unixes”, as in “prefixes”, or “crucifixes”.
English is a weird language.
Yeah, apparently you need to know the origin of the word to know how to pluralize it.
One octopus, two octopuses. But you can also say “octopodes” because the elements used to create the word are originally Greek (okto for 8, pous for foot), and that’s how Greek words get pluralized. But, although it was based on Greek elements it was never used in Ancient Greek. It was a modern Latin word, created in the 1700s as a scientific term using those Greek elements. As a Latin word, the “us” ending should be pluralized with “i”, so “octopi” (which is one of the oldest known pluralizations of the word). But, it’s an English word, and the proper way to pluralize an English word ending in “us” is to tack on “es”.
So, you can go with “octopodes”, “octopi” or “octopuses” and have an argument why any of them is correct.
For Unix, since it’s a word created in English, it’s probably “unixes”. To claim it’s “unices” you’d have to pretend that “unix” is a Latin word, which it isn’t, and never was, but “ix” is a common declension pattern in Latin, and an uncommon ending in English, so it’s fun to pretend it’s a Latin word and doesn’t get pluralized normally.
Eunuchs
No, we’re not talking about the users. (And the polite term is incel.)
Ahhh! The sweet taste of hardware and software flaws. (Every platform had them lol)
This. I’m not sure why more people don’t know this, but macOS is actually UNIX certified. Linux isn’t.
Well, GNU stands for Gnu is Not Unix, so…
Yes, I know. That’s why it’s always kinda funny when you see Linux users shitting on MacOS for not being UNIX enough for their taste.
Linux isn’t Unix, it’s Unix-like
As both a MacOS and Linux user I agree with myself on the regular that Windows is shit.
I also wash my hands on the regular.
Great meme, very accurate.
ಠ_ಠ
All three are shit. You can’t change my mind.
Average BSD user:
You’re right TempleOS is the only perfect OS
All non TempleOS users go to hell for rejecting God’s divine salvation.
Im willing to bet someone sometime will have the balls to fork templeos and turn it into an actually usable distro on par with bsd, mark my words
I use linux for programming and learn to enjoy everything being 3x harder than needed (Stockholm’s syndrome), but it’s not like it’s good
I use Windows for gaming (I could use linux to do it, but windows is easier), but it’s not like it’s any good
I won’t be paying whatever 4 months worth of my income on a MacBook, so it’s not like it matters if macOS is any good
4 months worth of my income on a MacBook
Is it bad that I can’t tell if you’re middle income or just want enough RAM to do something useful?
I can’t tell if you’re middle income
I’m from Brazil. I didn’t know this term, but quick googling shows me that Brazil is an upper-middle-income country.
I make around R$ 3620 ($740 USD) per month, a more than average income in Brazil. A MacBook Air M2 15" comes for R$ 15000 ($3069 USD).
I just vomit at the idea that they’re making these laptops with ram soldered in. unupgradable garbage you have to pay ridiculous premiums for.
Sadly if you’re doing mobile app work Macs are mandatory.
Walled garden starting to look a lot like a padlocked cell…
Why?
Tell me how to make iOS apps on Linux
Nowadays you can use Expo, if you want to use React Native. They take care of everything, so a Mac isn’t needed anymore
If your app needs a lot of native modules Expo simply doesn’t cut it. Developing iOS apps without running an iOS simulator is a lot of pain. In my early days of development my team actually tried this. There are too many quirks for each major mobile OS (Android & iOS) that makes it a lot of pain during testing if you don’t at least try to run it on the simulator.
I agree. It’s not impossible but it’s cumbersome. You at least need an iOS device.
Missing the third hand for Windows users
I cant wait to fully abandon windows with my next tower (Already on Linux with my deck) but MacOS is FAR MORE cancer than M$, part of the issue with M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple
2 edits: I think someone replied to this and then blocked me (or someone I’ve blocked replied to me somehow) as apparently theres a response to this but I cant see it nor have I been notified
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Damn, a lot of you apparently want a mega corp have complete control over what what your operating system looks like/does/what accessories you can buy for it if you think Apple is in anyway better than Microsoft. I thought the whole point of jumping to linux was freedom, you have LESS freedom with macs than with PC’s
M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple
Apple has adverts in macos somehow, but I’m not sure what it means since I’ve never seen ads in there. Perhaps they’re in app store or safari or something, but I don’t use either, so I don’t know.
Windows on the other hand pumps ads on you right at first boot on desktop. I’m sure it’s possible to turn them off somehow, but I usually choose to turn them off by installing Linux.
Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.
And have actual control over the OS.
Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.
Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.
Apple: “Sorry but your hardware seems to be out of date with our OS! Please buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth 1000!”
Me: “But it still runs?”
Apple: “Does it, though?”
Me: “Well not anymore… Thanks.”
Not to defend Apple, but doesn’t windows 11 demand you buy new hardware for it to be installed? Something about a TPM?
Does Windows still allow your applications to function update after update if you decide to stick with Windows 10? Yes. Can you just stay on W10 and expect things to keep working? Also yes.
I don’t have to worry about the newest version of Adobe Premiere not being compatible with this older version of iOS, oops now our promo team and our production team aren’t able to share their files because one bought newer Macs and now has an upgraded version of Adobe that Catalina doesn’t support unless you also buy new machines that are allowed to update through to Monterey.
Apple is fine for home use, but as someone who works operations side IT and has to constantly perform network workarounds to get their equipment functional in a commercial environment, fuck Apple and their “We did the thinking for you uwu™️” nonsense.
And OMG, Apples business support is absolute horse shit
Device management? Good fucking luck. Setting up iOS device management is by far the most painful, migraine inducing, poorly thought out, full of the most asinine restrictions process I’ve ever seen in my life.
Setting up Oracle on-prem software is a cake walk compared to Apples shit.
Windows is a business OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with business (poorly executed) “features”
Apple: “It just works!*”
*As long as it’s not a business feature
You can turn that off (unofficially) no such luck on mac
Yeah you need an Intel 8th gen or a ryzen processor in order to use it without a workaround. Something from the last 6 years.
You don’t need 8th Gen. It’s just that 7th gen specifically doesn’t work. I’m pretty sure older Intel chips are fine. TPM isn’t on your CPU.
Correct, I was trying to keep it simple but yes more specifically you need a TPM 2.0 capable system
They update Macs for a good 8 years or so, which isn’t that bad really. Then you can often just install newer versions with community tools after that.
Edit: I haven’t had one in a few years, apparently that’s not quite true recently as they’re trying to drop x86 support and move everything to ARM
What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.
Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.
This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It’s good that people that like it can use it. It’s bad that I don’t have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn’t that it lacks Unix features, it’s everything else.
Mac users are at the sink right next to them also washing their hands. We don’t talk about the nasty things Linux users do with their hands.
Are Mac users compatible with normal sinks and water or do they need an adapter?
Apple will happily sell you a MagSafe dongle to dangle in the sink beside your neighbor.
Adapter, unless the EU forced them to change that.
Zing!
All those filthy command line arguments <3
Yeah seriously. I don’t show anyone my bash history. That’s nastay.
I got more pipes than a mario game.
Sorry but as a Linux user I found that Windows is better than macos. Macos doesn’t even have proper window management.
in my opinion:
software: mac/osx >> windows
community/environment: windows/microsoft >> mac/apple
if we’re solely talking about how good the os is, i would have to say mac. but considering everything else, i would prefer windows
I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I’d rather give myself the bullet (which doesn’t mean much tbh)
I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to “Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded”
Linux > windows 10 > Windows 11 > MacOS is my experience, I just can’t stand apple and their walled gardens. I hate that they try to force me to use their shitty cloud and prevent me from installing third party apps. Windows 11 hhurts my eyes. And as a W10 refugee that’s gotten used to linux, I think its tolarable
The walled garden makes sense on the phone, but I’m not clear what you’re thinking of for macOS
I just went to videolan.org and libreoffice.org over Thanksgiving to download and install them on my cousin’s MacBook
I have to click through ten million pop ups to have macOS “trust” it. It makes me hate myself
That’s true and annoying. There is a terminal command to disable all that though
oh I would love to learn what that command is
sudo spctl --master-disableand/or--global-disable
Still usually less clicks than most windows installers though. (Personally I hate all 3 OS’s more or less equally)
Actually no. Not really. Also there is no more braindead argument than “I hate all of x equally”. Form a real fucking opinion
I’m an Android fan, but I do like the walled garden for iPhones. There are so many people who just do not understand how to protect their privacy online, and phones are a treasure trove of personal information. I’ve no doubt that the tight controls on iOS have saved many people from identity theft due to their own negligence. That, combined with the ease of use and the superior accessibility features over Android makes iPhone the better choice for older generations who don’t understand technology as well.
The problem is that you are trusting Apple completely.
I’m not trusting Apple at all, I exclusively use degoogled Android.
Me too
I would agree that a reasonably locked down device helps certain audiences stay secure, but to me that always sounds like a convenient excuse. Surely they could at least implement some way to regain control, even if that meant having to unlock the boot-loader and flashing the device, which is not something your average person would/could do.
In my experience, win 8.1 < win 10: less CPU and ram hogging, less telemetry, and overall less frustration. Although, yeah, you’d have to replace metro crap with something less tablet-oriented.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
wait, server edition on desktop?
Well, duh. Kinda funny how windows server is a better desktop windows than a regular windows. Basically, you get less candy_crush-like crap plus only security updates, as far as I remember. But yeah, there are different unnecessary features (unless you’re in the corporate environment, ofc)
Although, I’m not really sure nowadays since I haven’t used windows for a few years 😅
